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About Archicad's design tools, element connections, modeling concepts, etc.

Archicad 10 is announced

Greg Kmethy
Graphisoft Alumni
Graphisoft Alumni
Dear Talkers,

You can read Graphisoft's announcement on Archicad 10 here:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/
Gergely Kmethy
VP, Customer Success, Graphisoft
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stefan
Advisor
ArchiCAD 10 is not a Cocoa application, but a Carbon application. Many Apple programs (including iTunes) is also Carbon. This is especially true with the cross-platform apps!

Don't expect to change this soon.

I like the Windows version and I absolutely insist that an XP program follows the XP user interface style, while an OSX program follows the OSX Aqua interface. ArchiCAD does that.

ArchiCAD is really a hybrid beast. Many interface items, such as the triangles to open and close parts of dialog boxes is typically a Mac UI thing. And don't use bigger icons. I have the 15" powerbook and there is just no place for more icons.

I still don't like the OSX palettes floating around and getting messed up, which is less of a problem with a dockable interface. But most OSX programs don't dock their palettes.

I'm using both platforms now and this has learned me that XP is really not as bad as the OSX afficionados like to tell us on numerous occasions. My productivity on XP is still much bigger, but I'm improving on the mac now.

AC 10 is a good new version, but I'm still feeling that it is an intermediate step in the redesign which started (IMHO) with AC 8.
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Aussie John
Newcomer
Seems to be enough handy new features to be a solid upgrade and the subsequent possible bugs to warrant waiting a while. Aussie users usually have to wait anyway.
I'm of mixed feeling of the plotmaker/Archicad merge as I often use Plotmaker for quick reference to the drawing set, but will be happy so long as the updates in the new layout will be quicker and the overall size of the files doesnt blow out (which I dont think it should).

Happy riddance to the awkward PMK files too which werent even cable of being brought back into the CAD file without going via a competitors file format. Mind you I do use generic PMK files for my title blocks (in conjunction with the book info and auto text) and wonder how this might be handled now.

As I have been using the interactive schedule for al sorts of things recently I like the idea that it seems to now be auto updating (if I read things correctly). It is a real pain to go through and update a whole series of placed schedules.

I hope dont have to wait till version 11 for universal binaries for the intel macs to run
Cheers John
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Rick Thompson
Expert
Aussie wrote:
I'm of mixed feeling of the plotmaker/Archicad merge as I often use Plotmaker for quick reference to the drawing set...

Mind you I do use generic PMK files for my title blocks (in conjunction with the book info and auto text) and wonder how this might be handled now.

I hope dont have to wait till version 11 for universal binaries for the intel macs to run
I use lbks for quick reference extensively (I do stock plans and have many, and many phone questions), and I will miss that... but there are enough trade-offs that I'm not too concern. If you are using pmks for you title blocks from a dedicated file, those will import fine from the external AC9 file, after you convert it, (you will need to open the lbk and save as a 10 file and merge). My title blocks are external and will continue that, so that I can make changes to all of my file's title blocks at once. If they are not linked to the pln file in the lbk, but are pmks, you will first need to link them to the pln file before merging into AC10, but you can do that and it works fine for me. However, that said, I plan on merging my AC9 pln files into a AC10 template file w/sheets, notes, details, and title blocks and re-placing the views. That seems faster to me than opening the lbk and re-linking to the pln, then saving as an AC10 file, then merging and fiddling with it. My files are typically small, 6-10 sheets, so you milage will vary with the project size.

Your wait might not be too long.
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Anonymous
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There are plenty of new features there. I guess you do not wait for me to tell you that. AC 10 is a good upgrade but unfortunatelly not a great one.

Why do i whine you would say? Am i stupid? Perhaps. But...

1) If you remember well i was shouting that with the introduction of the constuctor-estimator suite, we will see NO development in the calculation tools for Archicad. Unfortunately i am VERY VERY correct here. Not a single new feature for the calculation model. . And that is the second version in a row without a single improvement.

2) The material editor. This is the worst part of Archicad. I think a 20$ program could have better material management. The problem is not just to create great buildings. Rendering is a part of our proccess. And material assignment is very important too the workflow. Unfortunatelly, assigning materials, it through a big list (so if you have a big material list, you are simply lost) and material change is simply non existant. You cannot even change material X to material Y globally. This is not a feature that can wait. This is really very very sad.

3)You did a very good job with walls. Excellent. Why not do a great one?
Why cannt we have not only verical profiles, but also horizontal flow. Why do we have to make roofs and intersect.

4)SEO. What a dissapointment. Everyone that has worked with archicad seo knows the nighmare. Just imagine having 40-50 seo operations. And then try to do bookeeping. You will surely mix everything. not to mention the many bugs there beacause i assume they have been fixed.

Yes i know you might not want to hear whinning, but someone has to tell the bad side of things

I think it could be too easy to have a great update. Very few important things SHOULD have been added.
And i dont put here personal wishes (there are many but are strictly personal) . What i said above are very bad glitsch of Archicad.
Anonymous
Not applicable
oreopoulos wrote:
...AC 10 is a good upgrade but unfortunatelly not a great one...

1) If you remember well i was shouting that with the introduction of the constuctor-estimator suite, we will see NO development in the calculation tools for Archicad. Unfortunately i am VERY VERY correct here. Not a single new feature for the calculation model. . And that is the second version in a row without a single improvement.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there has been any REAL enhancement to the calculation tools since version 6.5!

Geez, the least Graphisoft could do is give us some working examples and better documentation for the existing features. If they're not going to enhance calculation functionality, at least they could show how to use what's available...


Other than the fact that they have done absolutley nothing to improve calculation, ArchiCAD 10 looks pretty good!
Anonymous
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i think the interactive scheduler was introduced in v8. Am i wrong?
I.S is a very good tool. But since then... nothing....

(as noone comments me i suppose most agree....)
gpowless
Advocate
From what I have seen this far, Archicad 10 is more about fluff than substance. I mean there are some nice additions but not much more than we couldn't al ready achieve with an add-on by a third party.

What I am curious about is what are the other intimate upgrades and changes Graphisoft has made to improve the productivity / userability? In 8 and 9 there were a number of undocumented changes that surprised me (and some that are still surprising me today). If there is a list of all the changes it would help to get right into the enhancements instead of 8 months later discovering that there is an easier way to do the same thing. When I upgrade I am paying for improvements, not surprises......

i.e. Are there keynotes introduced like we asked? Are any items on our wish list incorporated into this version or do we have to wait for a third party to develop them first so the programmers can lazily adopt the tool and sell it as one of their innovations?
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__archiben
Booster
gpowless wrote:
If there is a list of all the changes it would help to get right into the enhancements instead of 8 months later discovering that there is an easier way to do the same thing.
http://www.designintegrations.com/files/ArchiCAD10/newfeatures10.pdf
oreopoulos wrote:
I.S is a very good tool. But since then... nothing....
same document, pages 60-63 . . . (document pages not the PDF's 'pages')

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Anonymous
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Ben, i have read those pages. I dont see any new calculating tool. Or an enchanment of the current. Perhaps i miss smthg.

I really feel bad to whine, because i DO believe that AC10 has MANY GREAT new features. But if you see a beautiful woman, and chop her arm and remove her hair, you loose the magic.

(seo and material management are so so important, and the second one is so so easy to implement, that it is very frustrating to see the same material list for another 18 months.. )
Anonymous
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I think, AC10 is nice update.
AC9 was good enough, so update to AC10 is to consider.
PDF-import is very nice one.
One data-system is nice one. Sloped wall must be useful (The wall means not always wall, wall cann be beam, oder some objects)
Helpline is great.