Archicad 10 is announced

[Greg Kmethy]

Dear Talkers,

You can read Graphisoft's announcement on Archicad 10 here:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/

[Erika Epstein]

Rick wrote:

Aussie wrote:
I'm of mixed feeling of the plotmaker/Archicad merge as I often use Plotmaker for quick reference to the drawing set...

I use lbks for quick reference extensively (I do stock plans and have many, and many phone questions), and I will miss that...

Rick,
In 10 they outline 2 ways to set up the layout book. One combines everything, archicad + plotmaker, into one file. The other allows us to continue to keep the layout book as a separate file, this time a separate pln file [rather than an lbk]. This second method was mentioned as useful for large projects.

I was wondering why since you, John and many more of us have found it convenient to use plotmaker as a quick reference you decided not to keep it as a separate file. New to 10, I am hoping you will discuss your rationale, pros and cons etc.

Thanks

[Petros Ioannou]

The attached image comes from ADT2004 .
The ability to create profiles on curved walls was there from 2003.
Now we are in 2006, AC introduces profiles but only for straight walls.... I still cannot understand why.
I am pretty sure that everything will be simple, the workflow and project management will be good or even better in AC 10.
Besides this is Graphisoft's strong point:
they make things work easy and there is always a concept behind the function of a tool.
On the other hand, GS's weak point is the introduction of uncomplete features... And if it is the interior-elevation tool, then it's ok, you can live without that!
But when we speak for one of the major advertised features of 10...well, at least there is a need for an answer.
What's the fuzz about reducing 2 clicks for entering polar coordinates when you can save 30 clicks needed for the creation of the curved walls on the posted example?


Petros

[Anonymous]

Petros is correct.

Archicad 10 is a good upgrade, but it not 99% satisfactory as ignacio says.
I wonder why they did left those important details out. I don talk about a bunch of new features not included in 10. Thats ok (scripting and element relationships in mind).
But you deliver profiled walls. Do it correctly. There is NO excuse for that.
And not only curved walls. Why not horisonatl flow profiles. Why should i have to create roofs to manage those horizontal cuts, when a simple curve would do the job???

Those too simple additions would have almost closed the wall feature cicle.



p.s i would not stop whining about the material editor. i think this is (and was) one of the worst parts of ac.

p.s 2. dont get me wrong but i think pointing at the weaknesses is the correct way. ofcourse compared to ac9 upgrade this is a wonderfull upgrade, but 9 was never upgrade...

[Anonymous]

Okay, I have to say I haven't seen it yet.

But to all you guys who are less than impressed by the amount of change, surely the integration of Plotmaker is the single most important advance?

At long last we (presumably) can stop worrying about whether to save .PMK files (no longer an option) or use hot-linked views. BG Archicad has gone. Hooray!

Converting Archicad 9 files sounds like a bit of a nightmare, but I for one look forward to woring with an integrated program where linking files between applications is a thing of the past.

- Keith

[Anonymous]

Petros wrote:
...
The ability to create profiles on curved walls was there from 2003.
Now we are in 2006, AC introduces profiles but only for straight walls.... I still cannot understand why.
...
Petros

So that will be a new feature on AC 11.

[Rick Thompson]

Erika wrote:
Rick,
In 10 they outline 2 ways to set up the layout book. One combines everything, archicad + plotmaker, into one file. The other allows us to continue to keep the layout book as a separate file, this time a separate pln file [rather than an lbk]. This second method was mentioned as useful for large projects.

I was wondering why since you, John and many more of us have found it convenient to use plotmaker as a quick reference you decided not to keep it as a separate file. New to 10, I am hoping you will discuss your rationale, pros and cons etc.

Thanks

Erika, that's something I actually never considered, but I always work on small projects. Even with a large one, that seems to be contradictory to the philosophy of improving the workflow and incorporating plotmaker into one file. It is easy to publish to pdf's in 10, so I would do that for quick reference if needed, but I doubt I will just because I want to know I am viewing the latest version, and I have so many active files. You can not save out as a PMK, which is a big issue IMHO in AC10. However, it is what it is (GS's opinion) for now, but I hope it will change in an update which will help with legacy files. Old projects can be migrated, but that requires time, and I have 100's. Slowly I will do so, but not with the additional 100's that are custom modifications, so PMK's would be good. keeping 2 pln files in 10 would still involve linking views, and maybe with a large file it prevents bogging down, but I don't know as I don't have large file. Without a saved pmk's the pln/book links to, the pln/book would still need to have a live update to display, which seems to be the same thing to me as one file??? Maybe with a huge file it chokes?

Still seems backasswards to incorporate plotmaker into AC and then have 2 pln files. I have not seen that recommendation, but I haven't read the release info. I don't remember that discussed on the beta forum at all.

[TomWaltz]

Erika wrote:
Rick,
In 10 they outline 2 ways to set up the layout book. One combines everything, archicad + plotmaker, into one file. The other allows us to continue to keep the layout book as a separate file, this time a separate pln file [rather than an lbk]. This second method was mentioned as useful for large projects.

I was wondering why since you, John and many more of us have found it convenient to use plotmaker as a quick reference you decided not to keep it as a separate file. New to 10, I am hoping you will discuss your rationale, pros and cons etc.

One word: SPEED.

If you keep your layouts in the same PLN, the layouts update almost immediately. If you keep them in a separate PLN, Archicad opens that PLN in second session and updates it (a la BGArchicad).

The same-PLN structure performance is pretty impressive (coming from a long-time PMK guy)

[Erika Epstein]

Rick & Tom,
Thanks for your replies. I am glad to hear the combined file is working to everyones expectations.

It is curious then that in the new features guide under migrating 9 projects to 10 they have the 2-file option and mention it for large projects.

How is the combined file working in Teamwork?

[TomWaltz]

Erika wrote:
Rick & Tom,
Thanks for your replies. I am glad to hear the combined file is working to everyones expectations.

It is curious then that in the new features guide under migrating 9 projects to 10 they have the 2-file option and mention it for large projects.

I do not pretend to understand the GS design intention...

How is the combined file working in Teamwork?

Pretty much the same. You just have a new tab for "Layouts".

[Erika Epstein]

I guess I was unclear. I was wondering how in teamwork in 10 you handle/control access to the layout book? Do you name one team member "Layouts" so anyone but only one person can work on the layouts?