Archicad 10 is announced

[Greg Kmethy]

Dear Talkers,

You can read Graphisoft's announcement on Archicad 10 here:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/

[Anonymous]

Fabrizio
Fabrizio
Fabrizio
Fabrizio
For people not so rigid about add-ons (cheap and upgraded), about curved walls:
We already have curved walls with ok apertures inside
The profiled part of the wall rarely need BIM apertures (windows and doors), it can be achieved without a "wall" tool.
O course, you can find "organic" stuff that need more.

Djordje wrote:
Then we will all achieve what we want.

Never.
The only true achievement is death and it is fine like that.
Positive attitude could be to switch to an alternative program and leave this forum.
Positive attitude could be to keep on asking and feed the wish list, even with some demonstrations of dissatisfaction
But the one sniffing during two years on an update with which he is not satisfied just wasted his precious time.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Djordje wrote:
........

The girls and guys worked very hard; let's recognize that effort, and keep them reminded of what still needs to be done, but in a manner of constructive contribution, not whining..........

I'm a bit at pains to understand why it is that when we question why a selected, featured and heavily advertised tool and improvement in this new version is not complete, it is characterized as "whining"?

Particularly when we are all ( well most of us, anyway) in agreement that the Profiler improvements, as commendable, much-needed and helpful as they are, remain nonetheless, incomplete. If it's only applicable to certain sections of your building and will not work in others, forcing one to seek a work-around or some other clunky third party non-integrated add-on solution, then, honestly, there's no other way to describe it other than incomplete or half-baked, if you may. Particularly, also, when it is GS themselves who are on record as saying they would seek to improve the modelling tools of AC independant of what third party developers like Maxon and Cigraph do, to allow more modelling freedom and flexibility from within AC - and with the Profiler tool, high among the list of requested user wishes and improvements over the last 2 versions ( along with SEO, IS and Calcucations), one would only imagine that GS would be beholden to give it the complete attention it deserved in this version, rather than waiting another version to complete it (even though, in that event, the financial benefit for GS, is clear for all to see.......).

Now, none of this is to undervalue or disrespect the efforts of the Graphisoft developers nor of any of the much-needed ( and fully functioning) improvements that they have made in AC10. But it seems to me that they are in danger of sufffering from a serious case of misplaced priorities borne out of a sense of complacency, when we do nothing but sing praises everytime a new version is released and particularly when their competitors are rapidly filling the holes they seem reluctanct to address in their own flagship product.
I had already previously opined that, in my own humble opinion they were better off leaving it (the Profiler tool improvements) out of AC10 altogether and having a completely functioning improvement in version 11. Just as I hope they are doing with SEO, or some of their other much requested improvements and wishlist items.

Perhaps what some of you want to characterize as "whining" and "disappointments", should be seen in the sense of being the constructive criticism that GS needs to keep it on its toes as well as abreast of the issues that most concern its clientbase; rather than vilifying those who dare point out that something may be missing or that the Emperor is naked or in danger of being so....

[Anonymous]

A little question in between from a naive german speaking reader like me: what do you mean with "SEO"?

[stefan]

gerstenlaub wrote:
A little question in between from a naive german speaking reader like me: what do you mean with "SEO"?

Solid Element Operations

[Anonymous]

Bricklyne wrote:
some other clunky third party non-integrated add-on solution,...

AFAIK, Archiforma is just a graphical way of producing pure GDL objects like TUBE, REVOLVE or RULED.
It is why I like it, pure AC objects, fully integrated (at least the way I use AC), that can be documented the same way. And were upgraded to 9 straight after AC9
Completely different from imported objects from Maxon, SketchUp or the dam.. old "Zoom GDL".
what's clunky?

[Anonymous]

stefan wrote:
Solid Element Operations

Thank you

[Thomas Holm]

Bricklyne wrote:
I'm a bit at pains to understand why it is that when we question why a selected, featured and heavily advertised tool and improvement in this new version is not complete, it is characterized as "whining"?

I can see that you don't understand.

I guess this won't do any good at all, but as I need more posts to get to Veteran status, here it is:
1. Wait 'til the program is released so you can see for yourself.
2. When the program is released, test-drive it.
3. Make a list of what features you miss. Formulate it clearly.
4. Make a list of your complaints besides no. 2.
5. Post no.2 in the Wishlist section.
6. Toss no. 3. in the Waste can labeled "Useless flaming". Posted, it will only hurt - both those it's aimed at, and yourself.

And believe me, GS (as most other developers) are doing all they can, within the available resources, to make their program as attractive, sellable and complete as possible. They may have slightly different priorities than any specific user, but that's not because they hate some of us, but rather because some of the wished features are more asked for than others. They would like to give us all if they could.

If you want them to change the priorities list, be constructive, clear, post, and go vote. Negativism simply won't help.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Thomas wrote:
[.........
1. Wait 'til the program is released so you can see for yourself.
2. When the program is released, test-drive it.
3. Make a list of what features you miss. Formulate it clearly.
4. Make a list of your complaints besides no. 2.
5. Post no.2 in the Wishlist section.
6. Toss no. 3. in the Waste can labeled "Useless flaming". Posted, it will only hurt - both those it's aimed at, and yourself.
........

If you want them to change the priorities list, be constructive, clear, post, and go vote. Negativism simply won't help.

Thomas, who's being negative here? All I did was ask why an advertised feature was incomplete, a concern that has since been shared by numerous other individuals; probably because it's a concern that has been hanging over the program since version 8.0/8.1 in the wishlist section. And as far as I can tell, all my posts have been clear, constructive (as far as I feel, and can tell) - perhaps maybe not conscise, but that was in the interest of clarity.

And as for posting in the wishlist section, I will say this for the umpteenth time : calls for the improvement of the Profiler tool have been made since almost 2 versions ago in the wishlist sections and even in other non-related discussions. I have voted on them myself, and I have also raised the issue in other discussions as well. You make it sound as if I just dropped off the newbie truck and am just complaining for the sake of, without even bothering to check whether the issue has been raised before.

This is what I meant by needlessly vilifying people who rather than singing endless praises of the new release, actually dare to question why it is, that much requested improvements that GS committed themselves to implementing seem not to be a priority any longer, thanks, it would seem, to the supposed availability of third party plugins, which may or may not even be accessible to all users. (see discussion:- http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=7178&postdays=0&postorder=desc&&start=30 -pay particular attention to Akos' comments regarding GS commitment to devloping AC's 3D modelling tools. In fact in the general discussion a lot of concern is raised over the advent and introduction of Maxonform as a replacement for the improvement of AC's core modelling tools. I didn't take part in that discussion, yet the same tone of concern is expressed by a range of people that did; I'm not alone in raising this issue.)

Now we could argue over the semantics of whether or not I'm being negative or whining as opposed to constructively raising a legitimate issue, but that will be of benefit to no one. As such, this is the last comment I will make on the topic sseeing as, it would seem that for some I have crossed the threshold of constructive criticism into the realm of "Useless flaming" and white noise.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Philippe wrote:

Bricklyne wrote:
some other clunky third party non-integrated add-on solution,...

AFAIK, Archiforma is just a graphical way of producing pure GDL objects like TUBE, REVOLVE or RULED.
It is why I like it, pure AC objects, fully integrated (at least the way I use AC), that can be documented the same way. And were upgraded to 9 straight after AC9
Completely different from imported objects from Maxon, SketchUp or the dam.. old "Zoom GDL".
what's clunky?

To illustrate what I mean by clunky;

Suppose I create a Tube, Revolve or Ruled geometry or object in ArchiForma, in lieu of a curved wall with the profiler tool, will I be able to effectively add windows, Doors or openings onto that object the same way I would to a regular wall (i.e based on height from wall-base and centred off the wall axis at a specific distance)? Furthermore will I be able to resize or move those windows, doors and opening the way I would with a regular wall? Or will I have to perform some additional vodoo to get even the most simplest of basic tasks done? Granted, ArchiForma generated geometry interacts with the ArchiCAD model ( in terms of hotspots, basic modifications and documentation) in a far more fluid manner, than other imported objects (from Maxonform, or 3ds import) do. But you still run into situations where you have to make changes that require up to 10 or more additional more commands or operations to update ArchiForma geometry than for native ArchiCAD gdl geometry, when updates occur to the rest of the model. And then having to save all that created geometry as separate objects from the regular walls,columns, slabs, beams and construction elements does not help matters any further, sepecially when it means bloating the external libraries.

That's what I mean by clunky.

[Anonymous]

In my opinion,
what kind of geometry must architect use to build a reasonable building?
Why is brickwall not round?

For very complicated geometry one needs CAD.
But this CAD is really useful for architects?
If GS can produce new AC, and with this AC you can make every possible geometry like Gehry.
But you must pay for this one over 1000 dollar.
I dont want to pay so much, because I dont need to make such geometry.
I try to make nice architecture with regular material and with regular building cost.
With AC I can do this job without problem.