GeNOS wrote:
Steve wrote:
Sooner or later you will need to make a section and some details for that stair. Then you will realize that it would have been faster just to model the stair in the first place. I don't think any of those stair tools are very useful.
Model the stair exactly as it will be constructed, keeping in mind what things you need to show up in your sections and details.
why go to that much detail on a stair anyways?? the guy building the stairs should know how to do it with out you telling him all that info.. if he doesn't then i wouldn't be employing him to build it in the 1st place.
Lets apply the same reasoning to your details.
If you don't know what information is necessary to have in a detail in order to cut the stringers then you shouldn't be making plans in the 1st place.
You can't cut the stringer correctly unless you know what materials are going on it, and what the materials are at the landings.
What information in that detail above does the carpenter not need to know ? This is not a "drafted" detail where every line is individually drawn. This is what a live section of the model parts looks like.
Also, keep in mind that the carpenter is only one of several people who need the information in a detail. I will spare you the list, and a lesson on how information from the details is extracted to the schedules,list, specifications, etc...
The point I am trying to make with the detail is that I can model a useful detail faster than I can make a stair using any of the Stair Tools I have used. And my details are useful to me, the details generated with the Stair Tools are not useful to me.
If the stair detail is so unimportant that you can get buy with what the Stair Tools can do, why make a detail at all?
Why not just make a little note on the site plan that says " build house here". This is exactly what many of the builders who come to me for plans want. A bare bones, down and dirty permit set that will not keep them from building it any which way they want.
The "permit set" is kept nice and clean in the tube at the job site and will never see the light of day.
Good plans however, are for protecting the Client from builders like that.
Good details are also for showing the builder the reason why he is not at liberty to deviate from the plan.
A good set of plans and details is what keeps the tail from wagging the dog.
I make paper templates of the stringers. They role it out on the 2x or LVL and make a nail hole at the points of the notch. They have it cut and installed faster than they can even lay it out using the other way.
Sometimes I make paper templates for the sink and bathtub holes as well as for archways. Sometimes there just isn't a good place to draw it out with a string on site.
I also make paper templates for the foundation anchor bolts. They tack it to the plywood and drill the holes right through it. It has a centerline mark and a 3d drawing (Simpson detail ) of how that anchor is to be used.
I have used paper templates for many other things I do not trust Bubba to mark out with his fat keel.
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