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ā2010-01-24 06:38 PM
http://www.archicadwiki.com/Pen%20Sets
Section IV mentions 11 pen sets as being available.
If these are standard in a previous version and not in 13, that's OK.
I have AC9,10,11,12,13. Just want to get some ideas from these pen tables.
Thanks,
Snap

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ā2010-01-24 07:16 PM
Or go to the Attribute Manager and import them from the AC13 Template file.
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ā2010-01-24 10:49 PM
The following article does not pertain to the US version, which also introduced a new pen table for Archicad 10. The US pen table is compatible with libraries from Archicad 9 and earlier. Accordingly, the US version of the "ArchiCAD library 10" uses pen defaults consistent with earlier versions and 3rd party libraries. (i.e. pen 91 is still white, door swings are still pen 6, etc.)It would be nice if there could be a corresponding US version of the wiki article (as well as for any other localization that did not hold to the wiki standard).
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ā2010-01-24 11:30 PM
On the left is what I get through attributes manager in 13.
On the right are the per sets described in the Wiki.
Snap

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ā2010-01-25 01:47 AM
The available US pen sets do not do much of anything intelligent with regards to pen assignment, weight, etc in a way to generate different entity line 'pop' for different kinds of drawings.
I should note that many of us AC-nerds strongly advise keeping both pens 91 and 19 as white so that library parts from both the US library and international libraries will (sort of) work.
There was a loss in translation when AC 10 was introduced and the international library parts moved to use pen 19 as white. We US users pointed out that projects are often moved forward from one version to the next with library parts from the current, and previous libraries in use. Thus, if GS wanted pen 19 to be white, we needed pen 91 to remain white. The intent was that the US pen table would support both old and new parts, but GS misunderstood and kept the US parts using an older pen scheme and the INT (and other) parts using a different scheme. It is just one of many messes in the libraries. They also promised us a tool for AC 10 that would let us change default pen assignments en-mass for an entire library (via the XML library tool) - and that was never delivered.
Anyway...
Yeah, the wiki should get an article on the US pens...but I doubt that anyone understands any of those default US pen sets as, frankly, none really make sense for practice IMHO.
Do note that the US library uses pens 1-10 for specific functions - window/door frames, window glass, etc. So, altering them by color or weight will affect the default appearance of most library parts. So, in particular, don't use pen 1 as your 'black' or 'wall' pen ... because it is a default lib part pen as well.
For more years than I can remember, we have pressed Graphisoft to show pen weight in the tables in mm by default, explaining that even though we use Imperial for measurement, including points for fonts, that we do not use points to measure line width. That, along with all other pen related issues has remained on a back burner in a dark room somewhere in a basement in Budapest that somebody lost the key to.
Cheers,
Karl
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ā2010-01-25 05:14 PM
Do you find much advantage to the "scale calibrated" international pens sets, ie for large site plans, etc?
I would appreciate it if one of the INT users would post a link to or excel table of a "detailing" pen set (*.aat). The Wiki calls this the "05 Detailing" pen set.
BTW, The Wiki is very helpful in explaining some of the "reserved" pens and why they are that way.
However, I suspect the Wiki is out of date because they only mention reserved Pens 1-7 instead of Pens 1-11 per your post.
Oddly, it also talks about pens 1-140 as being "in use" by Archicad and pens 141-256 for user functions.
My strategy for now will be to experiment with a new pen set created by just redefining the 1-11 pens. ...Hopefully...
Still learning,
Snap
PS For anyone following along, here's the link to that pen Wiki:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/Pen%20Sets

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ā2010-01-25 07:56 PM
snapcrackle wrote:Absolutely. I advocate different scale pen sets so that enlarged wall sections or details (or small key plans) will 'pop' the way you want them to. A pen that is wide enough to make a elements look decent at 1/4" scale will not look great at 3/4".
Do you find much advantage to the "scale calibrated" international pens sets, ie for large site plans, etc?
Glad the long post helped some ... hopefully one of us (n the US) will update the Wiki article... Sadly, I have to go skiing right now though.
K
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ā2010-06-04 03:49 PM
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ā2010-06-04 05:14 PM
After reading the link to wiki posted by snapcrackle(thanks),
I tried to find equivalent in U.S. but doing a search in the wiki for: U.S. pen sets,(etc) I would get sent right back to INT pen sets.
Probably real obvious, but I'm not finding it.
Anyone know where's the equivalent US pen set logic wiki?
lec

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ā2010-06-04 09:51 PM
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