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[Anonymous]

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

[TomWaltz]

metanoia wrote:
What I've heard through the Autodesk channel is that Revit is sitting at around 140,000 installed seats worldwide. Which is about 1/4 of the seats of Architectural Desktop out there! Where is AC at for installed seats... anoyone know?

The number I've heard is 200,000, but I have no idea where that comes from.

That's the first Revit number I'd ever heard and have to say that's not bad at all.

My question is whether it's used by the people who buy it. I know in some companies ADT is purchased, installed, then not really used. Revit is a lot harder to ignore, since it is a stand-alone program instead of an add-on, but it's possible that an AutoCAD or ADT-using company would buy a couple copies to check out and never use it (yes, the same thing could be said about Archicad, I'm just arguing with myself).

[Anonymous]

Comparing notes with support staff in other locales, of Revit seats purchased, certainly not all but better than half are used regularly. In our vicinity I would estimate that less than 10% of Revit seats are used rarely, and 2/3 are used regularly for production work.

Revit firms are almost always coming from AutoCAD or ADT -- so there's competition between those products within firms. But in AC-enabled firms, what else would they use?

[TomWaltz]

metanoia wrote:
Revit firms are almost always coming from AutoCAD or ADT -- so there's competition between those products within firms. But in AC-enabled firms, what else would they use?

I know there are some split-system companies out there with both AutoCAD and Archicad (which would have to be Windows, unless they have a lot of hardware around). Someone here recently mentioned they used both Archicad and VectorWorks, which could be on either Windows or Mac.

For a while, K&A was Archicad on Mac with Arris running through X11. There are still a couple AutoCAD "open" stations around for printing consultant drawings and checking translations.

[Rakela Raul]

ArchiCAD = 18
Revit = 9
Vectorworks = 16
AutoCad = 293
ADT = 3

mmm no bentley ??

[Scott Davis]

Your search was San Francisco, here is Los Angeles:

ArchiCAD = 6
Revit = 7
Vectorworks = 6
AutoCad = 146
ADT = 6
Architectural Desktop = 11

Searching for "ADT" finds hits for the 'home security company" ADT, so be care to search for that abbreviation. I added the search for Architectural Desktop. Searching for "AutoCAD" brings up any number of specific disciplines, from a machine shop looking for an "AutoCAD user" to design for CNC machines, to an Architect looking for an AutoCAD drafter. Searching "AutoCAD" isn't really architecturally specific.

[Chazz]

TomWaltz wrote:
The number I've heard is 200,000, but I have no idea where that comes from.

At a AC 10 Training I attended this week, the intro PowerPoint slide said "over 150,000 users" for whatever that is worth.

[TomWaltz]

Scott & Wes

can you guys explain to me what Revit Families actually are?

Are they simply 3D blocks? Or do they have the ability to resize only certain elements (like say a door, that you can change the panel size or the frame size without resizing the whole door?) Can they perform logical functions, like
If <currentView> = Section Then.....

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if they have the same overall capabilities as Archicad's GDL Objects do, but are easier to make by non-programmers.

Is that the case?

[TomWaltz]

Chazz wrote:

TomWaltz wrote:
The number I've heard is 200,000, but I have no idea where that comes from.

At a AC 10 Training I attended this week, the intro PowerPoint slide said "over 150,000 users" for whatever that is worth.

How was the training?

[Chazz]

TomWaltz wrote:
How was the training?

My reseller is Eric Bobrow and the seminar was Excellent. I think it's fair to say that this upgrade is the most radical since version 4.1. There are still the usual feelings of "why didn't they include x?" or "why couldn't they have changed Y?" but overall, I'm very pleased with the direction of development and GS's returned focus on quality. I loaded AC 10 on XP (under BootCamp) on my MacBook Pro and was impressed with the speed. Much faster looking than Eric's poor Dell. I doubt it will be as good on OSX.

Getting back to the seminar, the main benefit for me was the emphasis on the changed workflow, a discussion of the bugs, limitations and workarounds (very important for heavy users, IMHO) and the process of migrating 9.0 projects. All this was very clearly laid out in a inviting, convivial and professional manner. Eric is an experienced user, sympathetic to the varied needs of the users and a real pro at articulating what one needs to know. Two thumbs up.

[Anonymous]

Chazz wrote:
I loaded AC 10 on XP (under BootCamp) on my MacBook Pro and was impressed with the speed. Much faster looking than Eric's poor Dell. I doubt it will be as good on OSX.

I haven't benchmarked AC10 yet but was surprised to find that AC9 runs nearly as fast in Rosetta as it does in Windows on my MacBook. The only significant difference is Lightworks as it doesn't use both cores in Rosetta.