Speed Issues in 2d w/ AC10

[Anonymous]

Wanted to start a new post and see if any one is having issues with speed in AC10 when working in 2d.

I am considerably slower than AC9.

Having issue with clicking a node and when the object is actually moveable I am actually holding the object not on the node I clicked but 1/2" - 1" away (screen distance). I have to drop the object and pick it up again... This one is way bizarre and linked to the lag thing...

I am having lag between actually clicking an object and being able to move the selected object.

Panning is way laggy using the arrow keys.


The conditions are the same for another workstation in office with an ATI graphics card.

Just generally less smooth drafting in 2D. It feels like it may have something to do with the graphics card but is the same on both my machines.

I also turned off tracker and guidelines to see if it helps but it doesn't seem to affect it.

Dunno.

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[Barry Kelly]

g.h.design wrote:
Going to document every area where I notice slowness today.

Dimensioning. Significant delay when clicking on a node to manually dimension a wall w/ windows doors. I click a node and have to wait s....e....v.......e.....r.........a.......l seconds before the dimension point shows on screen and I can move on to the next one. Wanted to add that sometimes (1/4 of the time) the click and placement are essentially instantaneous.

I don't know if this is related.
A collegue of mine (V10 on Windows XP) could not double click to place a dimension - just added and subtracted the node.
Oddly enough if he went to the START button and then back into Archicad the hammer would suddenly appear.
Something like that anyway.

What he did discover though is turning of Winamp (music player) the double click now worked (I think he may have had to slow down the double click speen in mouse properties as well).

The Logitech Musicmatch Dukebox (I think it was called) also used to cause us problems with running Archicad in the past.

So maybe it is another program running in the background that is causing the problem?
Just a guess.

Barry.

[Anonymous]

I have definately found the issues to be linked to the highlighting option. When it is turned off the buggy behavior seems to go away.

Also noticed as soon as I turned highlighting back on that sometimes when I have selected an object, waited for it to be moveable ( a few seconds) it moves for a bit, the screen redraws and the object is right back where it started, active but unmoved. This whole thing takes about ten seconds and I am back to where I started.

This is the sort of thing I refer to as laggy.

I am keeping highlighting off needless to say. I will look for a keyboard toggle to use it in the 3d window where it behaves very well.

I have also noticed a huge reason for my selction hesitation is my info pallete. I have it extended full height on the left of my screen and when I select a new object it has to refresh all the information and I can literally watch it refresh through the entire length and when it finishes that is when I am able to move the object. Depending on how large an info pallete a specific item has, the lag time is longer or shorter. The lag is proportionate to the size of monitor. My 30" monitor is really bad. The 24" is much better.

When I shrink the info pallette to a small size the hesitation is greatly reduced. Unfortunately I can't think of anyway to correct this aside from shrinking the pallette. Then I have to scroll through it. Then the 30" of real estate seems slightly useless.

[Richard Morrison]

Greg,

What time do you have set for highlighting to appear under the Work Environment, "Selection and Element Information"? Have you tried setting it down to, say, .1 sec. or less?

Also you might try playing with the speed settings for Dialog Boxes and Palettes, too.

[Anonymous]

I have played with the highlighting speed and have set it to a very fast setting.

As far as the speed settings for dialog boxes, etc., I will change those and see if it helps.

My problems are definately related to the refresh speed of the info pallette. If I minimize it my speed returns to pre- AC10 condition in 2D.

I dunno if it is a Graphics card issue or what.

I will post again after tweaking the dialog box settings.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Yeah,
working in 9 today. I feel liberated in 2d. No lag at all between click and drag. Zero.

Definately an issue with 10 and the way it is using my processor or graphics card.

I have diminished the lag considerably by having a keyboard shortcut for my info pallete. When it is closed or minimized the lag is substantially less though still there. Makes using my 30" monitor a drag as it is by far the slowest with 10. AC9 w/ my 30" monitor absolutely no hesitation.

I am completely frustrated and out of ideas...

I will continue to limp along with my workarounds.

Might try a clean system re-install but the consistency of it and only in 10 makes me doubtful of that being an issue.

[Anonymous]

In hesitation I mean I click something, it is selected but I cannot drag it it until some process that is running in the background completes itself. This takes many seconds.

One of the processes that is linked to the hesitation is the refreshing of the information palette that I usually have open full length so that I can see all settings in one glance. If I click a door for example, the door will highlight and the information palette will start to refresh. I can actually watch the refresh progress down the info palette. When the refresh is completed then, and only then, can I drag or move or do whatever to the door. When I close the info palette, speed increases but still some lag between when I click and when I am able to effect change on the selection. The lag time is in the seconds, sometimes 3 or four seconds. Very noticeable and inhibiting to my workflow as I am used to moving very quickly. In 9 I can move very quickly, in 10 I cannot. It just is not fun where it used to be. (palette size related thus bad on my 30" monitor)

I believe the other processes that are linked to the slowdown are the new highlighting features (I like them but have them turned off to try and speed up my basic clicking and dragging)

In 9 the refreshing of the palette happens after the ability to move the item is established. You can watch it happen. Maximize the information pallette (on small monitor make it large enough to see all information at a glance). Click something and you wont be able to move it until the information palette refreshes. In AC 9 watch and if you click and drag an item the info palette won't refresh until you have completed the action. Different priorities that I assume have changed because of all the highlighting and palette changes.

I believe this is a bug. The ability to move an item should take priority over all other background processes 99% of the time. Only one time in one hundred do I want to hesitate before moving or editting an object. It does in 9 but not in 10.

Quoted myself from another thread. Seems appropriate here.

Feel I have found the root of my 2D problem. Can see the difference plainly between 9 an 10.
Makes me feel better, sort of. Now, is there a setting to change this behavior or is it a bug?

[Thomas Holm]

Greg, I might be a saggy old crocodile, but I have absolutely no problem at all with the 2D speed of Archicad 10. And look at my signature! My system is 1/6th the speed of yours. And I have the info palette open at all times. This leads me to think that your problem is related to something else in your system, not Archicad, unless the project your working in is excessively large.

[Barry Kelly]

I have noticed problems on systems with 2 monitors.
It also seems to depend on what windows (i.e. 2D, 3D) you have on which monitor.
I have only one monitor and have not noticed any problems but plugged in a second and could not select objects in the 3D window if it was on the second screen.
Try switching your system back to just one monitor and see if you have the same trouble?
Barry.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the input Barry. I have switched to one monitor and that has helped a lot. The scale of monitor real estate is definately related. I have tweaked all of the settings mentioned above and am using the highlighting and tracker and having satisfactory results.

I have gotten used to the rythm of 2d selection in ac10. It is faster than ac9 in so many ways. I can live with the difference in selection speed. (pretty subtle)

I am being hyper-critical I know. Trying for constructive criticism. Just thought it should be pointed out as there is a noticable difference between AC10 and AC9 (on my windows machines at least) because of the new highlighting and information palette (i am guessing). AC10 is faster than AC9 on my machines in every other way...

I would never go back...