v.11 Problem

[Anonymous]

hello there
i have a problem with v.11.
i m using it for 1 week now and it goes very very slow
while v.10 was faster and of course v.9 faster than v.10 but this thing with v.11 is unbearable. i cannot work any project with furniture and equipment on. but even if it is off it's not going so much faster.
i already ordered 1GB extra RAM ( i now have 1GB) and i was wondering
is this problem going to be solved?

thanks a lot

[henrypootel]

Yes, ActiveX is a MS technology, as is DirectX, which is what we are talking about here(ActiveX is just another name for OLE and is usually used to create plugins for Internet Explorer).
I did not notice any slowdown in 2D on my machine in OSX though, so i don't know if they have done anything to it. The only option really would be to change over to using OpenGL instead of software but I haven't been able to find any information regarding this.

[Ralph Wessel]

henrypootel wrote:
Yes, ActiveX is a MS technology, as is DirectX, which is what we are talking about here(ActiveX is just another name for OLE and is usually used to create plugins for Internet Explorer).
I did not notice any slowdown in 2D on my machine in OSX though, so i don't know if they have done anything to it. The only option really would be to change over to using OpenGL instead of software but I haven't been able to find any information regarding this.

Whoops - meant DirectX, my fingers typed something else.
I'm not having problems in OSX either, so it must only happen with specific configurations. In this case they have great 2D performance with AC10, but terrible with AC11. I'm surprised the problem is only with 2D and not 3D.

I've suggested changing settings which could affect redraw speed, but nothing brings AC11 close to the performance of AC10. The machine in question is a 1.8GHz G5 with 1GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.4.9 and stacks of free hard drive space. The weak spot is that it only has 64MB VRAM, but I would expect 3D to fail first if this was a problem.

[rjwilden]

Yes this does make a big difference. It seems to have fixed my problem.
So I guess its not curved profile wall causing the problem

Richard.

[Dennis Lee]

Rafal wrote:
I've got similar problems during Beta - slowdown when using Trace, selecting and moving objects and most worse - copying to clipboard (best time was about 2 minutes! 🙂 )
All bugs were fixed in succeeding beta versions.
Simple solution was merging old project to new one (from template).
Try this.

Well, I just got my AC11 today, and I have a similar problem. When I turn on the trace reference of say an elevation from the plan window, every mouse click (even 1 tick of the scroll wheel for zoom) will give me the hourglass symbol for about 30 seconds. During this stall, I can see in the quick options window that the layer combination is switching through many different combinations, as well as the scale, going through many variations of scale - all the while the display is not changing at all. It does seem like AC is trying to update the reference or something like that.

I think this only happens when I refernce in a view that has a different layer combination though. If I click something in the project map instead of the view map, there is no problem. Is this how the trace was meant to be used? To refer to views of the model w/o changing the layer combination? Or is this a bug...?

[Dennis Lee]

Geoff wrote:
I have noticed a specific slow-down in AC11 970. Open an independent worksheet and use Trace and Compare to reference in a building section. Now try and do anything. On my configuration there is a slow-down associated with every mouse action: click—wait—drag—wait, etc. Totally unusable. It appears the reference is trying to update with each action. Autorebuild or manual section doesn't matter. Weird since references normally must be manually rebuilt.

Anyone else getting this?

Bummer since this is the target usage, i.e. draft a section or elevation with the model as an underlay. Superior (in principle) to the old standbys of dragging a copy or unlinking.

Sorry, quoted the wrong post in the post above! This is the problem I'm referring to in that post.

[Greg Kmethy]

There are several issues in this thread, IMHO:

1.) Visual feedback during editing elements is slow
In AC 11 all the visual feedback (e.g. the rubber lines when editing elements) are drawn with overlay technology, which on the Windows side is done with DirectX, on the Mac side with Quartz. So if you have a problem that during editing (stretching, dragging, moving a Trace Reference) ArchiCAD is not responsive, you should check your DirectX settings. (set everything to Application Preference). On MAC you can't do much, because hardware acceleration is controlled by the System, not the application. (see my article on DirectX on ArchicadWiki: http://archicadwiki.com/DirectX

2.) 2D window rebuild is slow after editing an element
If you have a Trace Reference under the active window, it will make 2D rebuild somewhat slower. The typical symptom is that you edit an element and AFTER you finish editing you see the hourglass appearing for a short while. This is because even though the Trace reference is not rebuilt after editing an item, some calculation still occurs to create new snap points to the Trace Reference. (I will have to check this with the developers if this can be avoided or not.) Note that you probably only experience this slowness if the Trace Reference is a view instead of a Project map item. This is because a view has different layer settings, model view options settings, etc..., so any calculation involves switching those values. Try to use project map items as trace references instead of view map items, if possible

3.) 2D window rebuild is slow after pan and zoom
In addition to 2.), another factor in this case is that the Trace Reference has to be rebuilt. If the Trace reference is a section or elevation, then the 3D model might need to be partly rebuilt, which can be a magnitude slower than a 2D rebuild. That is causing the overall slowness of the 2D rebuild. You can help this if you use manual rebuild sections, or if you set Project Preferences / Miscellaneous setting "Update Autorebuild Model viewpoints continuously" off. Note that if you set this value to off, then you have to manually rebuild any section after editing elements, otherwise elements will temporarily not show properly after editing.

[Rob]

We have a problem with GeForce 7300 GS on WinXP when panning and zooming in 2D window with trace turned off. 2D refresh is significantly delayed and only way to force it from 'hibernation' is to switch to another window and back to AC.

I have checked and installed the latest drivers - no help

I just wonder what it could be or if there is any possible settings to be turned on/off... or even though the trace thingy is turned off is it still calculated?
Does anybody know about sort of 'safe' drivers for XP?

[Rob]

I have found the problem at least for NVIDIA 6 and 7 series, more here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=17861