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Teamwork error on send Archicad 20

Anonymous
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We have been getting an error come up on Archicad 20 where it won't allow us to send. It isn't like a normal error where clearing the client cache will fix the issue. It seems to be a bim server issue as it will happen simultaneously across multiple machines both within the network and over ip.
We have tried restarting the bimserver in an effort to fix this without success and the only solution is to re-share the project which results in a loss of work. Despite the wording of the error there is no issue with connectivity or licenses. It appears to me that the server file is being corrupted somehow and not allowing the clients to connect.

Is anyone else having this issue?

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Anonymous
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Steve wrote:
Is anyone else having this issue?
Encountered it on multiple occasions for as long as BIM server 2.0 (Delta server) exists.

This is by far the most annoying error message of BIM server.

It has to do with loss of communication with BIM server due to:

1. bad Internet connection (WAN). Bad means loss of packets, not speed. You can have a very stable, but slow connection and everything will work fine, or you can have a very fast connection that looses packets and the error will happen. Your system administrator will know more.
2. due to all RAM being consumed on the BIM server machine (both, LAN and WAN). Rather simple. No RAM — switching to slow drives... virtual memory kicks in... bad idea.

Without too much tech stuff, if the connection is bad or RAM is gone, BIM server will struggle to check objects in and out (Delta server activity). When this happens, project database will get out of sync as states of object updates will be different on remote server (BIM server) and local machines causing this error to appear.

Prior to AC19 this message meant terminal damage to the project and the need to reshare it using the last/best available copy.

With AC19 it became better.
If the issue was Internet connection-related a few subsequent send/receive requests cleared the error (if connection got better, of course). Turning off any network hogs like downloads, movies, video conferencing or, god forbid —games, always helps.
If the issue was RAM-related server reboot was required (entire server, not just BIM server application). Reboot does not help for long, though, as RAM issue is terminal and when you are running a very RAM hungry BIM server with no empty RAM slots — it is time to move to distributed project hosting — BIM Cloud.

With AC19, the worst case scenario with this error was cleared by force-quitting affected accounts from the project (local loss of data for the affected accounts) and asking them to reconnect (administrator's rights are required for force quitting people). No terminal damage was recorded to any of AC19 projects as opposed to previous AC versions.

I have no info on AC20 yet, though.

In short. Get the best and the most stable (packet loss) connection to the server and have your sys admin monitor server's vitals from time to time to see if there is enough RAM in the box.
I would also monitor network activity to make sure there are no processes that take all the bandwidth.

Having a good connection and enough RAM largely mitigates this error.

The error will still happened to specific users as they get connected through bad connection (can't eliminate all unreliable connections), but force-quititng them solves the issue without reshaping the project (at list since AC19).

General project organization always helps too. Well-organized and well-cared for BIM server projects see little of these errors. Large unwieldy monster projects with little to no checks-and-balances related to project structure, library, object and texture management will see more of these errors.
Anonymous
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Thanks Anton

Definitely not network issue, will check on ram situation and report back
Anonymous
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Steve wrote:
Definitely not network issue, will check on ram situation and report back
Don't discount "loss of packets". I would check for that first.
If RAM is lacking the server becomes very slow and anyone would notice.
Loss of packets is much more sporadic and inconsistent to track.
schagemann
Enthusiast
We never really have seen this (not on AC20 nor earlier versions) - unsure how the WAN connection may impact a LAN BIM Server connection (if I understand your setup correctly)...

Mind you, we are still testing the AC20 bimserver (on OSX10.11) and have so far only noticed that it seems rather slow when sharing / uploading even small project files ... but it is still early days!
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Anonymous
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schagemann wrote:
unsure how the WAN connection may impact a LAN BIM Server connection
It can't.
Two different things.
WAN connections are through Wide Area Network. Basically any connection to BIM server over the Internet.
LAN connections are through Local Area Network (inside the office/building).

Both can be used to access a specific server in parallel.
schagemann
Enthusiast
correct - just to clarify why did you mention this in the first place then?
macinteract
Design Technology Managers.
All  on macOS | since AC 6

Archicad Framework > Smart Template 27
Smart Tree, Transmittal and Universal Label and other smart GDL Objects
By Architects for Architects.
Anonymous
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Network is quite small and we haven't experienced packet loss and the issue isn't rectified over time. The server is a dedicated server with plenty of ram spare. About 8GB spare when under full load so should be more than enough.

Still thinking something is corrupted on the server side, but open to suggestions otherwise
schagemann
Enthusiast
Here some thoughts:

1. have you done a ping test (both to the IP and DNS name of the bimserver) over an extended period of time to see if there really is no packet loss?

2. how do you access the bimserver, via DNS name or IP - did you check that your DNS service is working properly;

3. was this always a problem on your network or only since AC20;

4. did any problems occur during installation?

Have you contacted Graphisoft about this yet?
macinteract
Design Technology Managers.
All  on macOS | since AC 6

Archicad Framework > Smart Template 27
Smart Tree, Transmittal and Universal Label and other smart GDL Objects
By Architects for Architects.
Anonymous
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schagemann wrote:
correct - just to clarify why did you mention this in the first place then?
Mmm.... you lost me.

Lets try again, step by step.

The OP's error above happens when communication between BIM server and client machine is affected in some way and data is lost in transfer as a result. In simple terms — data on BIM server and on client machine gets out of sync.

There are two main reasons why BIM server may throw in a towel by loosing sync between BIM Server machine and local client as a result of connection issues.
First has to do with over-the-WAN access (usually, an unstable connection in a form of excessive packet loss), second (in case of stable WAN connection or LAN connection, which is stable by default) has to do with running out of RAM.
I am simply differentiating problems to arrive at a plausible solution.

Off topic, I am curious, why you are even in this thread if you never experienced this error? 😉
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