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dpi rules of thumb ?

Anonymous
Not applicable
Hello,

I think this topic was once discussed, but I can't find it..

Is there a rule of thumb as to how high the dpi resolution should be to keep it crisp and clear for a final presentation of a rendering at

A. 8 1/2 x 11 inch

B. 17 x 22 inch

Also, if one wants to make a smaller rendering. say 6 x 4.59 inches, at what resolution should one make it to later "blow-up" to the larger sizes mentioned above. Will this save rendering time if the resolution is extremely high even though the initial result is half size.

Dwight, you there on weekends ??

Thanks,

Naftali

ACv8.1R2 USA
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rm
Advisor
Naftali wrote:
Hello,

Is there a rule of thumb as to how high the dpi resolution should be to keep it crisp and clear for a final presentation of a rendering at

A. 8 1/2 x 11 inch

B. 17 x 22 inch
Depending on the quality of your printer, lets use as a baseline an Epson 2200 photo printer or a Canon i9900 photo printer. Both are excellent photo printers. Also assuming you use Photoshop......who doesnt these days. I typically print at 300-400 dpi for "photo-realistic" renderings, or down to 200 dpi for "artistic" renderings.

When rendering out of Artlantis, which is where I do all my rendering but this rule should apply to all rendering packages, I first decide what size I want my final image. Assuming 8x10 and a print dpi of 400, I then set my rendering to be 400x8 for 3200dpi, and 400x10 for 4000dpi. The result is a jpg of 3200x4000 when opened in Photoshop.

Under image size of Photoshop, I resize down to 8x10 at 400dpi. Viola, that gives you a pretty darn crips print. This rule applies for any size, again, assuming you have a good photo printer.

These days, unless I have a time crunch, I render all my images for a 11x17 print, then down size it in Photoshop if I need a smaller print.

Good luck, hope that helps.


Robert Mariani
Robert Mariani
MARIANI design studio, PLLC
Architecture / Architectural Photography
www.robertmariani.com

Mac OSX 13.1
AC 24 / 25 / 26
Dwight
Newcomer
Good question: The number of pixels required in an image is important because to consistently make too many pixels for the intended use is a waste of time and money. And high resolution images make phototextures look bad. Less of an issue since LightWorks uses many procedural shaders that adapt to any size.

Regardless of printer quality, an inkjet printer has an absolute resolution of 360 dpi. When printer manufacturers claim 2880 dpi, they refer to a routine in ink jet printing called "dithering" where successive layers of ink are applied to the page in those tiny "two picolitre" spits [you can see this happen if you watch a print head working] to make the impression of a continuous tone. The "overlap" of a 2880 printer = 8x360.

Most guys you ask for advice about this say 180 dpi in the file is adequate to describe ArchiCAD models of average detail. What we mean by "detail" is the finesse of the photo texture in the material. If you needed to show fine brocade in an upholstery fabric, stick to the 360. My experience is that users tend to make too many pixels relative to the resolution their materials support. The guy goes and makes a outrageously big rendering but when you look closely, the textures are blurry and videoed. Waste of time.

We have a similar discussion going on right now about antialiasing in LightWorks where the "Better" setting resolves edges best whie the "Best" setting resolved surface patterns best.

Another issue in imaging is "sharpness" of edges. Using a sharpening tool like Nik Sharpener Pro goes a long way to making even a high resolution image have more sharpness - the routine asesses the image for "Edges" and increases contrast along them. This makes a rendering have more depth, accuracy and definition without more pixels. Nik can be set to ignore surfaces so that textures stay smooth.
I use artificial sharpening in my photography all the time and when I do it right, the edge sharpness successfully exaggerates the detail.

Also, printer drivers also "sharpen" images in this artifical way and can fool the eye into thinking that excess pixels is the answer.

My recommendation is that 300 dpi is the most versatile size to work at since it is close enough in inkjet and right on for offset printing in color. The printer of my book asks for 300dpi images. For inkjet only, I still think that 180dpi is adequate if you apply a little sharpening through Photoshop's Unsharp mask tool or the expensive Nik Sharpener Pro. Post processing always improves an image.

There's a big time difference between 180 and 300. You want to test your system to see if the extra time, repeated many times over again in successive renderings is actually worth it.
Dwight Atkinson
Djordje
Virtuoso
Naftali wrote:
A. 8 1/2 x 11 inch
8.5*300=2550
11*300=3300
Naftali wrote:
B. 17 x 22 inch
Apply math from above.

Otherwise, all the answers are already there.
Djordje



ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995
HP Omen
Anonymous
Not applicable
What is a good rule of thumb dpi for images that will be projected on a screen?

Thanks

Robin

Robin Riley Associates Ltd
http://www.robinrileyarchitect.com/
PowerMac G4
Mac OS10.3.6
ArchiCAD 8.1
Dwight
Newcomer
Depending on the projector there are two formats: 1024x768 and 600x800 - pixels. Any resolution as long as you have the pixel data but mst common at 72 dpi.

It seems small, and it is, so adjust presentations to alow for lots of close-ups during the slide show and use more slides with fewer words on each.

There ARE higher resolution projectors than that, but try and find one that you can afford. See BARCO, for instance.
Dwight Atkinson
Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
It may also be a good idea to print a 1000x800 image at 150 dpi, a 2000x1600 image at 300 dpi, a 4000x3200 image at 600 dpi and see at what resolution you start not noticing any different degardless of how much you increase the dpi of the image.
Then you will see how high you need to go in dpi.
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