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ArchiCAD MEP Modeler

Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
Some time during this coming week, we can anticipate an announcement from Graphisoft concerning their new MEP Modeler for ArchiCAD.

Various people that you know from these forums have been beta testing it for some time, but of course have been sworn to secrecy. We've just been released from our non-disclosure.

So, I can start the 'leak' of information here. 😉

Personally, I have no real-world MEP experience, so my opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight compared to other people that you may hear from.

I'm really impressed with the MEP Modeler. It's fun to use and has quite a bit of intelligence. Routing and editing is easily done in 3D as well as 2D, and the various parts snap together intelligently...including smart connection 'ports' on both new MEP objects as well as related objects in the standard library (sinks, WCs, washer/dryer, furnace, etc). Touching elements can be treated as an assembly.

Conflicts with other building elements are easily highlighted with a Collision Detection feature that really works well and is cleverly integrated with the markup features of ArchiCAD. Only collisions between MEP elements and any other element are detected. (It is not a general-purpose collision detection feature: it will not detect a column that penetrates a floor, for example.)

The MEP Preferences let you pre-define the typical sizes and lengths used for ducts, pipes and cable carriers to make it easier to work with components that correspond to actual building elements.

The MEP Systems dialog lets you define the various systems to be used in your building and how elements in each system should appear. For example, ductwork is for air, but you can define systems for Cooling, Exhaust Air, Heating, Return Air, Recovery Air, etc as desired, all of which would use ductwork, but might display themselves with different pens, materials or line styles - and which would be selectable as systems.

There are a couple of unique work methods, but nothing big - just have to learn it. For example, if you select multiple MEP elements and want to modify them together, you cannot use the Object Settings dialog or Edit Selection Set, instead there is an Edit Selected Elements dialog. But, since that dialog is customized for MEP, it is actually cleaner, once you are used to it.

There are new pet palette options for editing, and there is a connection library part that one can assemble along with other AC elements and save a custom MEP part with smart ports without programming in GDL. For example, if you needed a floor grate for a conditioned air system, you could create it with tiny walls or beams (etc), place the connection object as desired under it, and save the bits as a new lib part. When you route ductwork to this floor grate, it will snap to the port.

This is just a way-cool and long-awaited addition to ArchiCAD.

I have no information on pricing, etc.... so am staying tuned for the announcement like everyone else. We're told that a WIBU protection keyplug is required to run the MEP Modeler within ArchiCAD: it can be either the same keyplug that has your ArchiCAD license, or a separate one.

Cheers,
Karl

PS There is also a new plug-in for AutoCAD MEP 2008 and 2009 that allows you to export AutoCAD MEP systems into ArchiCAD via IFC. I did not test this, so can't offer any comments.

PPS I do not receive any compensation from Graphisoft for this post or any of my time/work on these forums or the wiki.
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The MEP Modeler will cost $695 (+ tax & shipping) for non-ArchiPLUS Members but only $275 (+ tax & shipping) for ArchiPLUS members. Orders can be taken now but the modeler will not start shipping until the beginning of November.


"The International English and German versions of the Graphisoft MEP Modeler start to ship on October 22nd."

I guess it depends on what you mean by "start to ship".

From Graphisoft to the distrubutors, or from the distrubutors to end users.


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cgrimley
Contributor
Karl (or anyone else who has done some testing)
Have you done any testing to where a user without the mep modeler opens a model that has those mep objects in it?
Can they see the objects, just not edit them?

Thanks
Casey Grimley
AC24
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Anonymous
Not applicable
cgrimley wrote:
Karl (or anyone else who has done some testing)
Have you done any testing to where a user without the mep modeler opens a model that has those mep objects in it?
Can they see the objects, just not edit them?

Thanks
not tried yet, but i hope it can do it. because we've installed a hoxfix (i guess something inside would let us view the model but can not edit if we haven't installed the MEP )
Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
cgrimley wrote:
Karl (or anyone else who has done some testing)
Have you done any testing to where a user without the mep modeler opens a model that has those mep objects in it?
Can they see the objects, just not edit them?

Thanks
Everything is present for someone with a regular AC license. The objects 'smarten up' when the file is re-opened with an MEP license.

Parts in the 12 library already have MEP parameter fields, just waiting to be used with the MEP modeler. Screenshot of hidden MEP parameters for Gas Furnace 12 in the original 12 library attached.

Cheers,
Karl
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Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
Here's the part of the User Guide that describes what happens when you open an MEP project with an normal AC license, and then re-open the file with an MEP license:
If a project created in an MEP environment is reopened using ArchiCAD
only (without MEP Modeler), the MEP objects are available, although
locked for editing. If you wish to edit or move these elements, you must
first unlock them individually (Edit > Locking > Unlock). Their MEP
connection information - once you have edited them in a non-MEP
Modeler environment - is lost, and they behave as plain GDL objects in
ArchiCAD.

If an ArchiCAD project is opened (using File > Open) in an MEP Modeler
environment, then the GDL objects that are MEP-compatible will be
automatically “smartened up” and their connection parameters can be used to include these objects as part of an MEP route.
Seems reasonable: stuff is locked when viewed with a regular AC license to prevent accidental editing (but editing is still possible). All of the 'smarts' return when opened with an MEP license.

The manual goes on to note that there is a "Convert Objects to MEP Elements" command to be used to 'smarten up' objects that are brought into an MEP project via the clipboard, merge, or a teamwork send/receive. The automatic 'smartening' only happens during a File > Open operation.

Karl
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cgrimley
Contributor
Good to know.
Thanks
Casey Grimley
AC24
iMac Pro (2017) - macOS 10.14.6- 3.2GHz Intel Xeon W - 32GB RAM - Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB
Anonymous
Not applicable
hi at all..
first of all sorry for my bad english.. I'm an italian users... so... I'm just reading about MEP.. and I'd only like to know some thing..
first af all. MEP is a modeler (internal or external) like any other cad or poligonal or surface application like cinema 4d or rhinoceros or any other product? or is a kind of AC plugin like archiforma?
when could it be ready for AC 12?
thanks a lot
garbage
Karl Ottenstein
Moderator
garbage75 wrote:
hi at all..
first of all sorry for my bad english.. I'm an italian users... so... I'm just reading about MEP.. and I'd only like to know some thing..
first af all. MEP is a modeler (internal or external) like any other cad or poligonal or surface application like cinema 4d or rhinoceros or any other product? or is a kind of AC plugin like archiforma?
when could it be ready for AC 12?
The MEP modeler is a combination of add-on, library, work environment and template for ArchiCAD 12. It is not a separate application.

It is protected by an additional license that is typically added electronically to your existing USB WIBU keyplug.

MEP Modeler is available for purchase from your local reseller. All languages (e.g. Italian) may not be available yet.

Cheers,
karl
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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
garbage75 wrote:
hi at all..
first of all sorry for my bad english.. I'm an italian users... so... I'm just reading about MEP.. and I'd only like to know some thing..
first af all. MEP is a modeler (internal or external) like any other cad or poligonal or surface application like cinema 4d or rhinoceros or any other product? or is a kind of AC plugin like archiforma?
when could it be ready for AC 12?
thanks a lot
garbage
Watch the ten or so videos on the following web page and you will have a pretty good idea of what it is capable of and how it does it:

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/solutions/mep_modeler.html
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laszlonagy wrote:
Watch the ten or so videos
That is very impressive.

Question: in the demo videos all the elements in each system are in the same layer (MEP-Electrical, MEP-HVAC, MEP-Plumbing). Is there a way of making say only the electrical ceiling boxes and HVAC diffusers show on the reflected ceiling plan, or you need additional 'architectural' elements for the architectural drawing?