Schedules, door ID and repetitive modules

[Ignacio Azpiazu]

How are people handling door IDs in projects with non-residential repetitive modules (labs, hotels, hospitals, office buildings, schools)?
1) My usual way of doing that was to use hotlinked modules for the repetitive stuff and get the door tag to identify the door type, which works OK. But I am now discovering that
2) many US practices use the tag to identify the door *unit*, so that each individual door in the building gets a unique ID, which I think there is no way of doing with repetitive hotlinked modules.
Given the choice of modeling everything 20 or 200 times each time a change is made to the repetitive design or putting the door tag ID manually at the end of the process I guess I would go for the manually tacked-on door tag object --but that will not show in the door schedule. I am trying to understand the reason for the unique ID for each door, and I am thinking that maybe it is a practice coming from residential and that should be done away with in this type of buildings (where each door is less unique anyway), but since this is the first time I come across this method I am not sure if there is any hidden logic to it that I am not seeing.
3) Another option would be to break the hotlinks at the end of the process and manually give an ID to each door object, which would then show in the schedule. But since nobody can ever be right about when 'the end of the process' is, in practical terms this would end up working exactly the same as '2)'.
So what is everybody doing?

[Ignacio Azpiazu]

k: placed modules are meant to be repetitive instances of a source document, so having the ability to tweak data in objects within individual instances (that is, at the object level, as opposed to a 'module info' level, which is what I was wishing for initially) is probably absolutely impossible, but even if somehow possible it would actually be very dangerous.

With the zone-reading-tag workaround one can assign say classroom/room number, even automatically generated story number to repetitive doors, assigning an individual IDs for each instance.

If what you need are different doors, even if the difference is only the hardware, in an otherwise repetitive module (which doesn't happen that often, I think), you just need to remove a length of that wall with that door from the module (say, the door + 2 in on each side).

That gap can get filled in with a non-moduled regular wall and door, or you can have a selection of wall+door modules to fill that in. So that your hotel room plan, for example, is created by a combination of several module types, in this example two: one for the variable door on its piece of wall, and another one for the repetitive room.

I hope it make sense. It does work, and you keep central control of your rooms on one side, and your door/frame/hardware types on the other.

[Anonymous]

Ignacio wrote:
With the zone-reading-tag workaround one can assign say classroom/room number, even automatically generated story number to repetitive doors, assigning an individual IDs for each instance.

This is the work-around I would LOVE to work with. But only if I could learn or figure out how to get the Room ID tag from Door Marker NCS_12 to read the zone ID of the room the door is swing TO instead of FROM. I have tried looking around the forum regarding that particular issue but only found others posting the issue itself than seeing any solutions or work-arounds. Perhaps you may know of a solution since it sounds like it may work for you?

Thanks for your response!

[Ignacio Azpiazu]

NCS 12 seems to give the zone for the tag itself --you need to drag the tag to the side you want the door to belong to.

[It's been ages and 3 ArchiCAD versions since I last used the NCS tag, and I can't remember if the last time I did this I was using some other tag, standard or most probably customized , but I would swear that I was using some other hotspot (a base hotspot for an invisible tag extension line) to read the zone.]

[Anonymous]

Ignacio, just wanted to say thanks for providing the work-around. Made my day last week! I just didn't realize by dragging markers to either side of door, the Room ID would change. Today, I have just attempted to see how the new IDs show on the schedule and so far it's been just OK. I have used the Zone ID parameter to sort the doors in order and the module door IDs have a mark of A,B,C... for sub-categorizing doors within the same room. They show in two different columns but that's much better than nothing.

Still, I would like to emphasize to Graphisoft to consider an option to configure door IDs when working with hotlinks without having to resort to intense work-arounds or manipulation. I am sure a lot of firms using ArchiCAD have been manually typing in unique door IDs for their projects. This thread is here because that method hits a big wall when it comes to working with hotlinks.

[Anonymous]

Hi...I'm new to ArchiCAD. We just recently purchased it for the office where I work. I am currently working on my first door schedule. I have watched some online tutorials and seem to have no problem inserting new criteria. I have my headings that I need and am wanting to know how to edit the fields individually. For instance, I have made a custom text heading named "Glass" under it I would like to type either "Wire" or "Temp". I can't seem to edit this directly. I know the door schedule is linked to the floorplan, however, if you put a custom text heading shouldn't you be able to custom each box in that column. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I need to get my schedule done asap.

Thank you,
Newbi

[Laszlo Nagy]

If I add the "Custom Text 1" parameter to the Schedules Fields, then in the generated schedule I am able to modify the header name of that row/column from "Custom Text 1" to something else, and also each cell of that Row/Column individually.
Is this what you tried to do and didn't work?

[Anonymous]

yes for some reason I cannot individually edit the fields below it in the same column. When I click on the field it is blue and will not let me edit it.

[Laszlo Nagy]

Works for me so I would suggest you to report it to your local reseller.


Another way of trying to achieve this is if you use a parameter of the Door to set these values and then list that parameter in your schedule.
Here is a thread that deals with it:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=146495&highlight=additional+parameters#146495

[Anonymous]

do u think it could be something in my settings.....thanks for all your help I really do appreciate it.

[Anonymous]

i know it is bound to work it just has to be something simple....for instance today I was wondering why the id for my doors wasn't updating on my schedule....it was because in order to change my door ID I was customizing the text in the marker settings instead of changing the actual ID number..it has to be some simple thing that I am overlooking..I'll keep trying