AC27 IntelMacs: 3D view causes the freezing of all views

[Romans]

This misbehavior started with the AC27 Technical Preview and is still happening in the now available final release:

Opening the 3D view or selecting something in the 3D view, or changing something in the 3D view almost always leads to the freeze of all open views. Sooner than later. No more interaction within the views is possible.

Saving and also BIMcloud operations (Send and receive, release all, etc.) are still possible.

But only a restart of Archicad resolves that issue.

It is a problem mainly (only?) happening on Intel-based Macs.

And yes, 3D Antialiasing (with Hardware antialiasing mode) and the new Physically based renderer in 3D Window (Work Environment settings) are turned off.

Also, miscellaneous MacOS systems make no difference.

Any news /workarounds about this critical problem?

A 3D application without the option to work in the 3D view is rather weird.

[Rex Maximilian]

So glad they took four extra months to release 27 so that all the bugs could be worked out. Sheesh!

Thanks for reporting this! This means I can't use my office computer but will always have to lug my laptop from my home office to my downtown office just to work in 27. I'll of course have to confirm it, but with the other buggy stuff I've seen, I can believe it.

[fabioferrini]

Some issues in our office, 3 iMac 27intel based AMD 5k 😞

[Chuso]

Hi Romans,

I am having exactly the same problem. 

A fresh project started on AC27 with an iMac 27 intel and at some point when opening the 3D window all archicad windows freeze. 

I tried installing AC solo, and same problem. Even upgraded to Sonoma despite the known issues, but still happening. 

I hope it gets sorted in the next update...

[Romans]

I strongly recommend addressing this problem with your local support/distributor to generate the necessary relevance and priority.
As you can see, here in the forum there is no communication from GS about this. Rather disappointing. 

[Oleksandra Vakariuk]

Hi everyone,

This is a known issue, DEF-14953, Archicad's windows become unresponsive (and might turn red or grey) on some macOS machines. As to our knowledge, those with AMD and a few Intel graphics cards are affected. It has been our top priority ever since we discovered it, and our developers are actively and continuously working on it.
The problem appears to be triggered by 3D Antialiasing. However, disabling it may work only temporarily or not work at all due to another issue where Work Environment enables 3D Antialiasing even though it's disabled in the settings.

We have been in contact with Apple’s developer support regarding these issues, and we have a fix under way. As for now, we've made a decision to disable 3D Antialiasing on all affected machines. This temporary solution will be included in Archicad 27 Update 1, and we'll revert it as soon as the final fix is ready.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused by these issues.

Kind regards,

[fabioferrini]

Hi Oleksandra,

Thanks for your replay,

Unfortunately, we have noticed that disabling 3D antialiasing works when working with new files created in AC 27. However, this does not work with some older files created in AC 26 that are opened and saved in AC 27. For example, we have a file converted from AC 26 to AC 27 that creates the same 3D crack issues. The same file, on the other hand, crashes when attempting to upload it to BIMcloud as a service, right at the end of the download process. Work perfect in AC 26. I have sent this particular file to my local Italian distributor. Nonetheless, I can provide a link for you to download it and run some tests if you send me a private message. Thank you. Fabio

[Romans]

Dear Oleksandra, 

Thank you for updating the community about this critical issue. 👍
On the other hand, it is clear that not only "some" macOS machines are affected, but almost all Intel-based Macs (with AMD GPUs) and all macOS.

Disabling the 3D Antialiasing is not a real 'workaround' as we already know.
Also is it disheartening that the so badly needed fix will not be included in the upcoming update 1.
A 3D application without the ability to use the 3D window is just hard to use.

Kind Regards
Roman

[Oleksandra Vakariuk]

Hi Fabio,

Unfortunately, I cannot offer any workaround regarding the issue you're experiencing with migrated projects. I can only recommend to continue using Archicad 26 until Archicad 27 Update 1 is released.

Regarding your other issue, I have received the file from our colleagues and I could reproduce the crash. On Tuesday, I sent the file to our developers for further investigation. I'll let you know as soon as I hear from them.

Kind regards,

[HeadF]

As far as I can tell, there is no solution at hand. Graphisoft has known about this issue since July and still hasn't found a fix for it. And I wouldn't count on one.  What gets me is that Graphisoft knew about this issue and said nothing to us about it, No Warnings, no nothing.  Let us Download, install, and burn.  

I also believe that part of the blame rests with Apple as well. They no longer fully support the Intel chips (or half-heartedly) and are focused on the silicon chip Macs. Thus, there is clearly a glitch in the conversion from silicon macOS to macOS software for Intel machines, one which most likely will be ignored or not fixable. The 2019 iMac is the last iMac that Apple is going to support after that...... Nothing. The only real solution to this issue is a new silicon chip machine, which I have no interested in purchasing right now.