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ArchiCAD is dying

Bruce
Advisor
I know that's a controversial subject line, but I believe it's true. Not because I want it to be, but because Autodesk is an advancing monster; ArchiCAD firms are switching to Revit, and Revit-based firms are buying ArchiCAD firms...and switching them to Revit.

ArchiCAD is a great program, but if it keeps going the way it is, I fear it will gradually dwindle until it's finally gone. On a level playing field, it comes out more or less even with Revit (I have done a detailed analysis that has been vetted by Revit experts) - but it's not a level playing field.

In my opinion, Graphisoft needs to do a handful of things to even the odds (yes, I will compare to Revit, as that's the main competition):

1. Rebrand & revamp the UI: CAD is an obsolete term. Even though ArchiCAD was BIM way before the term was even coined, I think the "CAD" in the name does it a disservice. Also, the user interface is old and tired. Should it go to the ribbon? No way. Should it be brought into the 21st century? Absolutely - there are plenty of excellent examples out there. Blender, a free 3D program, is undergoing its second UI redesign in about 5 years. If Blender can do it, Graphisoft can.

2. Introduce type-based elements. At the moment, pretty much everything is instance based. If you place 100 doors 900mm wide throughout the project, you have to select and change every single instance (this is an example, so please don't tell me the workarounds - that misses the point). Essentially, this is extending the attributes database to other objects. This makes project-wide changes so much more consistent, with no fear of missing an element.

3. Easier creation of parametric custom content: A beginner user in Revit can create a basic parametric object by using geometry and dimensions. It is intuitive and accessible. This does have its limits, but GDL is completely inaccessible to any but the advanced user with a programming mind...something architects and drafties generally don't have - otherwise they'd be programmers. A mix of the two would be extremely powerful - maybe an interface similar to Visual Basic, or Grasshopper? Not only for 3D elements, but also for 2D labels.

4. Better labelling & keynote tools: At the moment it's one label per element per view. What if I want to tag more than the ID? What about material, thickness, height etc. Revit is excellent in this regard, and also in the ability to create your label format as specific as you please. Key notes are also critical.

These are only four key improvements that I think are critical. There are many others that I could list, but this post is already too long. I say the above not to criticise ArchiCAD, but to try and help (misguided however it may be).

I could be wrong - I would be happy to be wrong...but the Autodesk monster is advancing...

These changes should be done the Graphisoft way: not to match what Revit does, but to equal and better it.
Bruce Walker
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sinceV6
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I would say:

BRAVO!!!

http://www.shoegnome.com/2015/04/30/graphisoft-announces-rhinoceros-archicad-connection/

The only thing to know is how flexible this will be, and if display options will need to be edited in GDL, in which case it would hardly be fast.

Best regards.

*edit: just gave a quick read to the docs. Like always, GS has done an outstanding work.
Anonymous
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Design engineers dont want to only import from rhino to AC, I hope there are facilities in going the other way, from AC -> Rhino -> FEA...for me it's all about DATA presentations to our clients?
Unless you can stitch up clients/deals with preliminary data/3D/analysis there will be no WDs following in AC..my2c
Anonymous
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We would not bother with rhino anymore as Marionette is persistent control of live 3d objects that can be exported via ifc into ArchiCAD as needed.

Gdl is not a solution as a container type object. The other comment earlier Regarding this lack of object type is large deficiency.
Anonymous
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Oh boy, coupled with geometrygym this is a killer!

Very good news!
sinceV6 wrote:
I would say:

BRAVO!!!

http://www.shoegnome.com/2015/04/30/graphisoft-announces-rhinoceros-archicad-connection/

The only thing to know is how flexible this will be, and if display options will need to be edited in GDL, in which case it would hardly be fast.

Best regards.

*edit: just gave a quick read to the docs. Like always, GS has done an outstanding work.
Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Another news of today is that Trimble and the Nemetschek Group announced a strategic partnership:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=48982
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Anonymous
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The rhino plugin timing is interesting

One suspects there will be no (visual) parametric relationship building capability in 19; GS are once relying on IFCs to extend the software capability.

Which on the surface appears an acceptable strategy until one realizes that with this implementation all we can import is a lump. No ability to add doors, windows, contain zones etc etc.

The IFC bridge concept has to get much more sophisticated to be convincing.
Anonymous
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I think Trimble & Nem are on a winner here, Life cycle engineering analysis will broaden the appeal of this software to engineers->Builders->contractors.
At the moment I am flat out doing sims for clients concerning every day onsite problems along the supply chain, the biggest problem I have is coupling my data to on site measurements/hardware.
BTW, I dont even bother with IFC..you see nobody gives a C*** about how to identify data properly when the model exported is hopelessly inadequate
Anonymous
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mthd wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
mthd wrote:
I must totaly agree with you about the temporary dimensions that you can click on and enter a new value to move an element.

This will speed up workflow greatly an make it more appealing to US users to switch back.

I really wonder why they have not done this by now or at least make this option available for us who want to use it and speed up productivity?
I am not sure I can agree with this statement.
Yes, Revit has temporary dimensions, but I am not sure it always provides faster element creation/editing than ArchiCAD.
Yes, there are probably cases where Revit is faster with its temporary dimensions, but I could find equally as many cases where ArchiCAD is ahead.
It would be very interesting to see comparisons of all kinds of element creation and editing scenarios. I have a feeling that ArchiCAD would be at least as fast as Revit in many cases, meaning either the time or number of clicks would be less in ArchiCAD than in Revit.
I like to edit using relative positions as well.

I want to avoid dragging around a point of origin when possible.

I like to use one hand on the mouse and my left hand with a number pad.

I use Chief Architect that way to model up simple houses in half the time I can in ArchiCAD.

My editing time is also half of that in ArchiCAD for simple houses.

You guys who started in ArchiCAD can shred allot faster than I can at the moment on simple designs.

The GUI could be made to speed things up even more with touch screen inputs and gestures.
I think the Blue Ring Tick Box or temporary node point marker, may have fixed this problem in AC19?
Laszlo Nagy
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That "Blue Ring Tick Box" you are referring to is called Snap Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyZfolzzes
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Anonymous
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laszlonagy wrote:
That "Blue Ring Tick Box" you are referring to is called Snap Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMyZfolzzes
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