Modeling
About Archicad's design tools, element connections, modeling concepts, etc.

Archicad updates

KeesW
Advocate
Here we are again - yet a new update coming up while they haven't properly fixed the current version. I note that AC21's HELP is still a DRAFT version. They will presumably never get round to releasing a proper version because there is no point. Archicad add-ons such as Cadimage, have no AC21 versions of help and tutorial videos - theirs go back to version 18! I think that much of this is due to the annual upgrades to Archicad, driven, I suspect, by marketing, instead of customer, demand. Woudn't it be better if upgrades were bi-annual giving everyone time to find and fix bugs before the products are released to their paying customers?
Cornelis (Kees) Wegman

cornelis wegman architects
AC 5 - 26 Dell XPS 8940 Win 10 16GB 1TB SSD 2TB HD RTX 3070 GPU
Laptop: AC 24 - 26 Win 10 16GB 1TB SSD RTX 3070 GPU
6 REPLIES 6
Karl Ottenstein
Moderator Emeritus
KeesW wrote:
Here we are again - yet a new update coming up while they haven't properly fixed the current version. I note that AC21's HELP is still a DRAFT version. They will presumably never get round to releasing a proper version because there is no point. ...
I must be missing something... as the Help that I have for AC 21 does not say Draft anywhere. I only saw that during Beta more than a year ago - not in the release version. Where are you seeing 'DRAFT'?

As to bug fixes/updates... those are included in each new release. At some point during the cycle - whether it is one year as now, or 18 months as it used to be, or the 2 years as you suggest, bug fixes stop being merged into the prior code version and become part of the new release. Yes, it does require getting the new version (via subscription or whatever) to get the latest bug fixes...along with new features. 😉
AC 28 USA and earlier   •   macOS Sequoia 15.3.2, MacBook Pro M2 Max 12CPU/30GPU cores, 32GB
Barry Kelly
Moderator
Karl wrote:
I must be missing something... as the Help that I have for AC 21 does not say Draft anywhere. I only saw that during Beta more than a year ago - not in the release version. Where are you seeing 'DRAFT'?
Must be an "AUS" version problem.
The actual help PDF is the real thing I think - at least it has no "DRAFT" watermark on it like the beta versions do.

Barry.
One of the forum moderators.
Versions 6.5 to 27
i7-10700 @ 2.9Ghz, 32GB ram, GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB), Windows 10
Lenovo Thinkpad - i7-1270P 2.20 GHz, 32GB RAM, Nvidia T550, Windows 11
Karl Ottenstein
Moderator Emeritus
Barry wrote:
Must be an "AUS" version problem.
Thanks, Barry. That's pretty strange. It used to be that any PDF that you placed into the Documentation folder showed up there in the Help menu (after re-launch) with the file name of the PDF - including the PDFs pre-loaded during installation. Does the file name have the word Draft in it? If not, some weird (low priority to them I'm sure) bug.
AC 28 USA and earlier   •   macOS Sequoia 15.3.2, MacBook Pro M2 Max 12CPU/30GPU cores, 32GB
KeesW
Advocate
We are all correct. The 'DRAFT' occurs on the Archicad Help menu when accessed from Archicad 21. When selected, there is no 'DRAFT'. I assumed that it is a draft version without saying so.
Cornelis (Kees) Wegman

cornelis wegman architects
AC 5 - 26 Dell XPS 8940 Win 10 16GB 1TB SSD 2TB HD RTX 3070 GPU
Laptop: AC 24 - 26 Win 10 16GB 1TB SSD RTX 3070 GPU
KeesW wrote:
Here we are again - yet a new update coming up while they haven't properly fixed the current version. I note that AC21's HELP is still a DRAFT version. They will presumably never get round to releasing a proper version because there is no point. Archicad add-ons such as Cadimage, have no AC21 versions of help and tutorial videos - theirs go back to version 18! I think that much of this is due to the annual upgrades to Archicad, driven, I suspect, by marketing, instead of customer, demand. Woudn't it be better if upgrades were bi-annual giving everyone time to find and fix bugs before the products are released to their paying customers?



.....which is basically to say that this issue has been beaten to death (in the past, and as far back as 10 to 15 years now) and beyond now, hence the flogging a dead horse metaphor.

And which is also to say that GS don't seem responsive to this (yours) point of view or way of thinking.

Your suspicions as to why we have yearly upgrades instead of bi-annual (or even per every 18 months which used to be the original model when I started using ArchiCAD almost 20 years ago) are spot on.
It's more a marketing and revenue mindset than a functional one that serves either customers or their own developers (who are forced to keep up with that pace and then have to pump out hotfix after hotfix to fix problems that were somehow not caught during the extensive Beta testing phase, or to fix problems created by previous hotfixes before them trying to fix other problems).

I suspect it's also to keep up with the Joneses, by which I mean their rivals who have yearly updates too (to much the same level of chagrin and frustrations among their own customers) and to sustain the subscription model from whence I imagine they get a lot of revenue.

What we've seen from it is a succession of increasingly diluted updates that offer little more than cosmetic changes if for no other reason than to justify that number change (even if nothing has fundamentally changed in the program) all while the real issues rarely get addressed.

I know of lots of people who are still on ArchiCAD 18 because they argue that they've seen nothing in recent versions that would justify cost of upgrading to the latest versions.
It used to be that one would upgrade every other year or every other version (i.e. only even number upgrades or only odd number upgrades), but then what do you do when they release 2 disappointing versions in a row?

Contrast this with a company like McNeel who often take as many as 5-6 years (or more) between numbered upgrades of Rhino3D, (they do release service packs in the interregnum) and use that time to properly and extensively beta-test the next version to ensure to any new version is really worth the upgrade and not just a cosmetic update.

Not to say that GS should go to that extreme route or time frame, but still, there is something to be admired about that level of consideration to your own product, and surely there's a more reasonable middle-ground.
insideru
Advocate
This whole discussion, while very spot on, is just a side of the story. Just think of this: you can buy archicad and basically use it forever, OR pay a small yearly fee afterwards (its around 500 euros for me in Romania) for ArchiClub, or whatever that's called in your country, giving you extra support options AND a free upgrade to the next version when it launches, WITHOUT canceling your old license.

I never use the new version when it launches, cause GS is the new Apple, first release = unusable. But i start playing around with it when i have time to see the changes, and by the time the first hotfix pops i'm used to the new tools and workflows and am ready to make the switch.

Has AC been buggy for me the past couple of years? OH YES! Have the new features added to the new versions been overwhelming? Not so much ... but they were well worth the 500 euros. That buys you like 2 months of Revit then it's back to the drawing board.

A company's main goal is to make money, and GS is no different. They have to come up with new stuff each year to keep that cash flow coming, you gotta see why that is happening. If we enjoy archicad we must give them our support. What i'd like changed is faster response to the bug reports and faster hotfix releases.
Develop a product, launch it yearly, even with underwhelming features, but please fix it if its broken asap GS, or you've done all the previous steps for nothing.

Just my €0,02.
ARCHICAD 28 INT
macOS Sequoia