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Degenerated Polygons

4dProof
Advisor

I see this topic has been broached several times, but rather than resurecting a 5 year old thread that was basically un-answered, I'll pose the question myself.

I have a series beam with a custom profile applied. The session report is showing degenerated polygons for all these beams. The profile has no folds or weird nodes. The beams have a rotation and slope, but have not been stretched, and there are no additional modifiers in the profile. 
I've seen this on other projects as well, and am hoping someone can shed some light on why beams with complex profiles are regularly reporting degenerated polygons.
(this is kind of critical, as it seems that degenerated polygons are excluded from IFC exchange)

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BIM solutions and trouble shooting (self proclaimed) expert. Using Archicad 26 5002 US on Mac OS 11.5.2
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Tim Ball
Expert

I use complex profiles extensively but haven’t encountered this issue for years now

Tim Ball

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DGSketcher
Legend

I don't know how accurately you are modelling, but I have read somewhere in the past that dimensional tolerance can be a problem at small dimensions e.g. if the conversion software rounds everything to the nearest mm then you may end up with 2 surfaces occupy the same plane with zero volume.

 

The other well reported issue with Custom Profiles is their automatic conversion of arcs to minimal flat faces with questionable resolutions. Are you possibly using filleted profiles with small radii either through drawing or from imported profiles?

 

I can't recall any situation where AC has suggested my custom profiles have resulted in degenerated polygons.

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Barry Kelly
Moderator

It is hard to say what the problem may be without the particular profiles.

Can you place a few problem beams, select them in plan, and save them as a module?

the attach the mod file here (you may need to zip it to attach).

 

Barry.

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JeffH
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I almost always end up seeing the degenerated PG's in our complex profiles at the modeled flashing and copings, where we want the detail to be as thin as possible.

It usually ends up being a very minimal width...So we have instituted an "-All Fills need to be at least 1/8" -" policy for our office when it comes to our Complex Profiles.

 

once the fills are enlarged, the issue usually goes away...But many in our firm like to also have multiple fills overlapping.

 

Those are the 2 biggest culprits I have seen for Complex profiles with degenerated polygons.

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I will try redoing the profile again, and maybe instead of tracing the profile, I'll draw it from scratch to ensure numeric input is not rounding to 1/265" or something

 

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this is actually a super chunky profile. One fill only. Thinnest part is something like 1/2"
Could be the curve on the nosing/drip edge; but thats a 1/4" radius

BIM solutions and trouble shooting (self proclaimed) expert. Using Archicad 26 5002 US on Mac OS 11.5.2