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Anonymous
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Since we can not place details (detail marker tool) within detail drawings. What is the best way / work around for this situation in archicad.

Currently I have <plotmaker> active for sheet numbers ( great feature) within the archicad detail tool for easy referencing. I would like to keep the drawings simple in terms of having most of the details generated from one drawing...see example.

example:
I have a stair detail 1:20 which is a detail drawing, from within this detail drawing I would like to place a detail marker to maker another detail at 1:5 of the stair tread and another detail for the handrail at 1:2.

I'm using AC8.0 R3+(AUS) on P4 running XP PRO
Brendon
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__archiben
Booster
brendon

your stair 'detail' 1:20 drawing . . . can it be produced by way of scale and layer management in either plan or section view?

changing the scale of your plan and section windows, and using layers intelligently (plus combining them with the new, improved display options settings in 8.1) can practically give you a 'new', detailed plan/section window whilst maintaining the essential elements required to work with.

you can then place details markers and create detail windows at will and continue to use <plotmaker> sheet numbering.

i personally wouldn't use detail windows for any scale over 1:10 when producing construction documentation . . . of course they are useful for other reasons (generally at earlier stages of a project) to create diagramatic snapshots and 'discussion' presentations to issue to clients and consultants quickly . . .

possibly many more uses . . . anybody?

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Djordje
Virtuoso
brendon wrote:
Since we can not place details (detail marker tool) within detail drawings. What is the best way / work around for this situation in archicad.
While this is literally true, nobody is stopping you to populate the Detail window with any amount of standard 2D drawings you want to put there. The deafult option does not do the Patch like snapshot, but gives you a blank window where you can paste what you want.

Caution - it is NOT liked to the model, so all changes (the staple of the architectural work) have to be re-entered manually.

On Ben's note, I would (for the stair detail you mention) create a section of limited height and zero depth, at appropriate scale, and so on, save the view, and have my stair detail live all the time.

Then again, I might be old fashioned
Djordje



ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995
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TomWaltz
Participant
It seems the original questions here were not really answered:

If you can't place a detail marker inside a detail window, how do you work around this?

How do you place a detail marker inside a detail window that already exists to point to another detail? Do you just place a "dumb" marker with manual text?

There is a point where you have a building section, which is enlarged to details. This is kind of nessecary if you want your enlarged callout to point to the right place. Since that creates a detail window, there is then no way to create a window detail from that wall section "detail."

Am I missing something? Or is Archicad?
Tom Waltz
Djordje
Virtuoso
TomWaltz wrote:
How do you place a detail marker inside a detail window that already exists to point to another detail?
You don't. As the Detail tool is a new one, the wishlist(s) regarding the detail (IDs and nesting, above all) are necessary.
TomWaltz wrote:
Do you just place a "dumb" marker with manual text?
I do; some clever overlaying can be doen in PlotMaker, but ... nothign beats nesting.

Let's check the wishlist, if the nesting is not there, please start a topic!
Djordje



ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995
HP Omen
Anonymous
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Tom,

You can achieve nearly what you want. Make the wall section with the section tool. Then the details can be added to it. The wall section will have to be referenced in the building section with a symbol since the section tool cannot use multiple references the way the detail tool can. You end up with dummy references either way but at least with this approach all the drawings are derived from the model.

Another way to do this Is to set up the wall section (this also works with enlarged plans) as a view in the building section itself by using different layers for the annotations at different scales. You can place a fill in the larger scale annotation layer to mask the areas outside the desired drawing and place the notes etc on top of the fill. I use a special library part that frames and titles the enlarged drawing and converts to a reference marker at the smaller scale.

Without this tool I think the latter method is too much trouble, and despite having this fancy library part I am switching to the former approach. I haven't had to decide what to do about enlarged plans and plan details yet, but I'll probably make them into separate details since we probably will have little need to reference the plan details in the enlarged plans.

On the larger topic of details within details (and section references within sections and so on) I think that these would be desirable features. I don't think that these should be original (source view) detail or section markers however. It seems that this would create a regression problem. (How many details deep can you go?) I suspect that the programming problems would be considerable. It seems more important to be able to reference any type of drawing in any type of drawing and keep the source views to the present limitations.

Does anyone have an example where this would be a problem?

Related to this subject is the topic I started in the wish list called "The new working environment" (http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=864). If my proposal there to create multiple plan views were adopted along with the universal ability to reference any drawing type in any drawing type, we would be coming very close to fully automated drawing coordination. These features together would also provide a complete, clear and consistent set of procedures for all drawings without any of the work arounds.

I mention this just because I feel that we need to keep the big picture in mind and look for ways to make the work arounds unnecessary rather than making them easier.
SeaGeoff
Ace
Matthew wrote:
I use a special library part that frames and titles the enlarged drawing and converts to a reference marker at the smaller scale.
Dude! Care to share that one?
Regards,
Geoff Briggs
I & I Design, Seattle, USA
AC7-28, M1 Mac, OS 15.x
Graphisoft Insider's Panel, Beta Tester
Anonymous
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Geoff wrote:
Dude! Care to share that one?
I'll have to think about it, but probably so.

It is one of the crown jewels (so to speak) of the custom libraries I make for my clients and I don't want them to be mad about giving away what they have paid for.

On the other hand, with the introduction of (and future enhancements to) the detail tool, it is fast becoming an historical footnote. It really is a workaround, though a pretty elegant one IMHO.

If I do release it to the wild I'll have to make some adjustments to be make it more general purpose. So far I have been customizing it to each firm's standards and I'll have to think through what it will take to generalize it.
Djordje wrote:
Let's check the wishlist...
Here you go.

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=1197
James Murray

Archicad 27 • Rill Architects • macOS • OnLand.info
Anonymous
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Did this fancy workaround tag ever get posted. If so I would appreciate getting a copy. Thank you Matthew.

An even bigger question is did this get fixed in AC9 and if not why?

Thanks,

Aaron