German Company buys AC to stop it's production?True?

[Anonymous]

Someone just came in the office to sell us some autodesk products. He told me that AC is going to be sold to this german company, and they will stop it's production in order to sell their own products to AC users.
Was this just some autodesk marketing plan to convince me to buy autocad or is it true?

[Anonymous]

Steve wrote:
I remember when Autodesk was publishing on their own web sites about how ADT was going to be discontinued

Autodesk has never said that. Working for a reseller during that time when ADT users were fearing the worst, that was never the party line. They now acknowledge that ADT doesn't succeed very often at BIM (though it can if you can just learn everything about that wretched piece of software), so the message has changed over the years.

Autodesk did and may still offer the so-called "Rev it up" promotions where ADT and Revit are sold together for the same price as ADT or Revit.

In ADT sections and elevations are dead; in Revit they are "live". All documents created by Revit are interconnected; there's no assembling myriad xrefs together to build a model.

Still, ADT has had its successes: Heathrow T5 is an ADT project that would be daunting to complete in Revit. You'd have to link files together in Revit just like you do in ADT (though far fewer in number), and it would require discipline and coordination, much like it must have required in ADT.

[Steve Jepson]

There you have it. And from the people who know. It was all a vicious roumor.

To help put an end to roumors, ADT 3.3 is dead now right?
All Autodesk 2000 based products were discontinued about a year ago right?

[Scott Davis]

Steve wrote:
Tell me something you can do with Revit you can not do with ADT?

Change the size of a door in a schedule and it will update instantly anywhere else it occurs in the project. Plan, section, elevation, 3D, perspective...

[Steve Jepson]

Is that still true for ADT 2007? I wouldn't know.

tthey can do a lot with the new zones and linking clasifications. Change a the fire rating on a wall and it will change the door too. Things like that.

[Anonymous]

Scott wrote:

Steve wrote:
Tell me something you can do with Revit you can not do with ADT?

Change the size of a door in a schedule and it will update instantly anywhere else it occurs in the project. Plan, section, elevation, 3D, perspective...

And will mess your model if you forgot constrain somewhere somehow ...
I think that making changes to the 3d model via schedule is fundamentally wrong.

[Anonymous]

Why is it wrong? It's powerful and convenient, and I wouldn't be caught without it. Don't knock it til you try it 😉

Revit users do complain about some things Revit does -- this is not one of them.

[Scott Davis]

metanoia wrote:
Why is it wrong? It's powerful and convenient, and I wouldn't be caught without it. Don't knock it til you try it 😉

Revit users do complain about some things Revit does -- this is not one of them.

and to further what Wes said....some companies are working on specification software for Revit, where you can change an item in the TEXT of your spec, and the model will update. Full Bi-directional associativity is hugely powerful.

[TomWaltz]

Scott wrote:

metanoia wrote:
Why is it wrong? It's powerful and convenient, and I wouldn't be caught without it. Don't knock it til you try it 😉

Revit users do complain about some things Revit does -- this is not one of them.

and to further what Wes said....some companies are working on specification software for Revit, where you can change an item in the TEXT of your spec, and the model will update. Full Bi-directional associativity is hugely powerful.

That's a major point in the BIM industry: You should be able to edit something anywhere you see it. It's up to you to make sure if updates in a way that makes sense.

Archicad does give you control over what direction elements change in size, and it's immensely useful if you use it.

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:

Scott wrote:

metanoia wrote:
Why is it wrong? It's powerful and convenient, and I wouldn't be caught without it. Don't knock it til you try it 😉

Revit users do complain about some things Revit does -- this is not one of them.

and to further what Wes said....some companies are working on specification software for Revit, where you can change an item in the TEXT of your spec, and the model will update. Full Bi-directional associativity is hugely powerful.

That's a major point in the BIM industry: You should be able to edit something anywhere you see it. It's up to you to make sure if updates in a way that makes sense.

And the most sensible way for the architect to make changes in 3D model is to edit 3D model itself, not the schedule. It's the easiest way to avoid modeling mistakes.

Please don't get me wrong - I think that Revit is great system. Ex-PTC guys know what they are doing for sure. But some of it's "features" (like one model-one file) are overrated.

[Scott Davis]

Tomtomas wrote:
And the most sensible way for the architect to make changes in 3D model is to edit 3D model itself, not the schedule. It's the easiest way to avoid modeling mistakes.

Sure...but sometimes we make mistakes graphically in a 3D model. Quick, tell me which door in this 3D model needs a correction? Then look at the difference in a tabular format....it stands out like a sore thumb! Being able to make these changes in the schedule to drive the model are valuable. Imagine this was a project with 600 doors? Go find the wrong one in that project model to fix it....ugh!