German Company buys AC to stop it's production?True?

[Anonymous]

Someone just came in the office to sell us some autodesk products. He told me that AC is going to be sold to this german company, and they will stop it's production in order to sell their own products to AC users.
Was this just some autodesk marketing plan to convince me to buy autocad or is it true?

[Anonymous]

Thank you for example. But even simple non-associative door schedule can show such mistakes.

Now, what will happen if you change the door width in the schedule? Will the door width in the model increase to the left, to the right or both left and right?

[TomWaltz]

Tomtomas wrote:
Thank you for example. But even simple non-associative door schedule can show such mistakes.

Now, what will happen if you change the door width in the schedule? Will the door width in the model increase to the left, to the right or both left and right?

It depends on how you placed the door. If you locate it by its center or by its edge, that is the point it will grow outward from. You can change its reference later if you want.

With BIM, as with many other technologies, a little discipline while you are working pays off.

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:

It depends on how you placed the door. If you locate it by its center or by its edge, that is the point it will grow outward from. You can change its reference later if you want.

The problem is that you can't tell it from the schedule so result in 3D is unpredictable. Even if interactive schedule shows the door with it's reference point graphically and you can move reference point straight in the schedule you still can't be sure unless you remember where you've put all the (for example 500) doors and how you've referenced them.

With BIM, as with many other technologies, a little discipline while you are working pays off.

Sure. But there's also real life

[Anonymous]

Tomtomas wrote:
...And will mess your model if you forgot constrain somewhere somehow ...
I think that making changes to the 3d model via schedule is fundamentally wrong.

Tomtomas,
When you make a change via schedule in Archicad you can always verify the change by clicking the "Select on Drawing" button.

Dan K

[Scott Davis]

Tomtomas wrote:
Thank you for example. But even simple non-associative door schedule can show such mistakes.

Now, what will happen if you change the door width in the schedule? Will the door width in the model increase to the left, to the right or both left and right?

You are correct, a non-associate door schedule can show those mistakes. And Revit (like AC that Dan has pointed out) can show the door in your project by highlighting it in the schedule and then by clicking Show.

So in the case where you make a change in the schedule, you can imeediately follow it up with a Show, look at it in the model to verify that it moved as predicted.

There are other things that are easier to change by schedule that don't affect geometry, as well. At least having the choice to do it in schedule or in the model is a positive.

[Anonymous]

I think we are getting to consensus here

My point is that information in schedule is not enough to make predictable changes in 3D model. You still need to control visually how your changes affect the model. If you edit the schedule and don't get the expected result then you still need to edit the object directly. Then why not to do it in the first place?

Associative schedules are great. But it's not some kind a killer tool changing all the work flow

[TomWaltz]

Tomtomas wrote:
I think we are getting to consensus here

My point is that information in schedule is not enough to make predictable changes in 3D model. You still need to control visually how your changes affect the model. If you edit the schedule and don't get the expected result then you still need to edit the object directly. Then why not to do it in the first place?

Associative schedules are great. But it's not some kind a killer tool changing all the work flow

Don't get me wrong. Given the choice, I'd rather make the change in a location I can see what I'm changing. I just think it's important for a "BIM" software to have the option to change something from any the element visible.

Imagine not being able to change the data-only options on a model element because "you cannot see that information there. Maybe the text will be too big to fit in the box".

BIM will help you improve coordination but at some point someone has to still check the drawings.