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Modeling
About Archicad's design tools, element connections, modeling concepts, etc.

How big can models get ?

Anonymous
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I just created a model with a very simple shell straight extrusion.
There is about 1000 of these extrusions copied and then using another one piece shell extrusion, i used SOE (solid object editing) to cut away the top.
but now i want to reopen my project file and it says.... 330 minutes to open..
the file size is 3.6 megabites.


i have quite a fast computer with these specs.

WINDOWS7 64bit system
Intel Core i7-2600 CPU at 3.40GHz
16 megabites RAM

any ideas guys ?
i cant even open the file now ?

thanks for any help,.

Ian
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Anonymous
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this is great fun, a new project, saved with the addition of the SOE cut and now archicad has a heart attack, when it tried to open the project.

Can a big company actually use archicad for a large project like a football stadium ?
is archicad too weak ?

Ian
Anonymous
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mmmm ? just trying with a very simple test with 24 shell extrusions and a SOE cut ?...... the screen has gone white and archicad wont respond.

is my computer not powerful enough ?
Ian
Anonymous
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12 minutes and the program is back alive.
very strange, i put a solid 360 degree extrude using the shell tool on the top of 20 sheel extruded columns.
after the SOE action, there were little lines shooting up out of the remaining model ß
but ony a few and with no pattern ?
are there bugs with the SOE option? in archicad15 ?

Ian
sinceV6
Advocate
If
16 megabites RAM
and you meant 16 gigabytes, and
the file size is 3.6 megabites
and you also meant 3.6 gigabytes, then your just-for-fun model is pushing the limits.

The way AC controls geometry is not as efficient as it could be, and there are a very finite number of polygons, elements, SEOs, etc. that it can handle. Throw in everything else: floor plans, dimensions, elevations, sections, etc. that it needs to keep track of and your file size will increase significantly quite fast.

I remember there was a high rise project GS flashed to compete with Revit. I remember reading that the project had to be split in quite a number of module files to be workable. The master file was about 450mb and took 20 minutes to open, just to have the complete model. To open the 3D window took some more time as well.

450mb is not that big in terms of size, but I can only imagine the amount of information: if that's the size of only the master file without annotations, dimensions, elevations, sections, layouts, etc.; just to check the complete 3D model, imagine the information from all the other module files!

Every system has its limitations, and while AC will handle big projects quite well, there is always a roof. At least in 3D for any app, we'll just have to wait to what comes out of euclideon.com (if ever, unlimited detail FTW!!!) and then some more time to see it implemented.

On the other hand, AC offers a lot of flexibility when it comes to big projects... even more than in other systems.

Here are a couple of good reads. First one is quite old:
http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/pdf/CreatingDatabases_Final.pdf
This one is newer.
http://www.archicadwiki.com/Big%20Building%20Whitepaper
The last one might give you a good idea of model size and AC limits.

Anyway, I know you are just playing around. In reality... I always try to keep everything as efficient as possible. The user experience with an efficient model vs. a slow one is quite different.

Best regards.
Anonymous
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no no
16 gigs of memory (sorry about the mistake)
and 3.6 megabites for the file size (smallish file)

and its killing my system.
Ian
Anonymous
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Well you said you did "1000 of these extrusions" and did and SEO on it. It's probably has to compute every one of those SEOs when you open the file. I would suspect the problem is the math generated from the SEO's and having to recalculate the objects for the session when you open the project.

Maybe create the one extrusion the way you need it and then copy+multiply that object around so the computer doesn't have to perform the SEO's every time. Or, and the gurus will have to verify this or not as I really don't know, but I think you can save the result as an object and that might take care of it.




EDIT: Weird. When I opened this page before many of your posts didn't show up. Just your first and last post and the reply.

I'm not running AC 15 yet so I can't try duplicating your test. But that sounds like a problem and maybe you should contact support and send a copy of the project to them to they can diagnose the bug.
David Maudlin
Rockstar
zeropointreference wrote:
Or, and the gurus will have to verify this or not as I really don't know, but I think you can save the result as an object and that might take care of it.
This can help, when saving the elements as an Object, under Options select: choose Non-editable binary 3D data, as this will hard code the 3D data, so it does not need to be calculated. The library part itself will be large, but may cut the 3D generation time a lot. SEOs with curved elements (for example a site mesh with SEO roads) can take a lot of time to generate in the 3D Window, this method can help relieve the calculation load.

David
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