How to call out duplicate details? Section or Detail tool?

[tsturm]

hello to all.

Can anyone recommend the best process for calling out detail locations on a roof plan where the same detail is being referenced to on a detail sheet?

Same problem with wall sections on a long building. I want to draw and detail only one of the wall sections. I, however, want AC and PM to auto track that the same detail has several references pointing to it.

I have a building which has the same exterior wall construction on the opposing ends of the building. I want so reference each end of the building using the Section Tool. But I do not want to detail both wall sections. I only want to have the one wall section in Plotmaker.

Has anyone figured out a way to get the two reference cuts to autoupdate for the one drawing?

I have the same sort of problem with roof details.

RNH
TAL

[Link]

The detail tool allows you to link any marker with another detail. If you have two markers showing the same detail, then simply link them to the same detail!

Look for the 'Link this Marker to an available Detail Drawing' radio button in your Detail Settings dialog.

I hope that helps. We still can't link a section to a detail, or create a detail that cuts a section, which I think would solve every problem out there.
That and having the ability to create a detail within a detail and have both updateable.

Cheers,
Link.

[tsturm]

Hey Link

Thanks for the response. Can you link to details outside of the file the detail link is referenced from? Say to a DWG from a manufacturer?

Can I link a detail to a section cut? I am sure that I can make a call out tag that looks like a section tag so that is not a question.

Should I copy the contents of a section into a detail and then finish it off there and then treat it as a wall section or such?

Also I have tried to use the detail tool. I seem to have gotten stuck on the same bubble. I cannot resize the bubble or start a new detail. Perhaps quiting the file and opening it up again will have cleared things up. Did I do something wrong?

[tsturm]

Additionally I have noticed that when I create a detail window that I am n longer able to change the name of the detail.

Right now I am stuck with 10 roof vent pipe details, when in fact I only have one.

How do I go about changing the names without deleting the detail?

[Link]

Hey Link

Thanks for the response. Can you link to details outside of the file the detail link is referenced from? Say to a DWG from a manufacturer?

Nope - you'll need to bring the DWG into the project. And since you can't XREF into a detail (or S/E) window, you'll need to bring it into your plan window and cut & paste it into your detail window.

Can I link a detail to a section cut? I am sure that I can make a call out tag that looks like a section tag so that is not a question. Should I copy the contents of a section into a detail and then finish it off there and then treat it as a wall section or such?

Unfortunatlely not - that's what I was alluding to in my original response. I don't know if copying the contents of your section into your detail would be the best solution. Firstly it'll be a nuisance to get your 3D content in, and secondly it you could probably solve your problem with a simple marker on the floor plan - even if the marker was just 2D elements. Depends on your needs. Some people like to skin a cat by methodically peeling from the head back, others like to tear it vigorously from the rear. I'm sure you get my point.

Also I have tried to use the detail tool. I seem to have gotten stuck on the same bubble. I cannot resize the bubble or start a new detail. Perhaps quiting the file and opening it up again will have cleared things up. Did I do something wrong?

Sure you can - firstly turn detail boundaries on in Display Options. Don't worry - they won't print. Secondly set your detail's parameters so that the 'Working Mode' is set to 'Follow Clipping Polygon'. Thirdly, select the detail, and with the Detail tool active, click on the edge of the boundary. You can edit it like any other ArchiCAD polygon.

Keep in mind that you are editing the boundary of the detail (not the marker) this is what is shown in the detail window. If you have opened the detail window already, you will need to right click on it in the Navigator and choose 'Rebuild from Source View'. This is where you can rename and delete empty details too.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Link.

[Anonymous]

The detail tool is not very intuitive. To delete or rename a detail open the view editor and right click on the detail name in the left column. As far as I know you cannot link a detail to a section window. I believe this is in the wishlist. Also in placing a detail check the info window; there are 4 different ways of placing a detail marker. the first with just a plus sign does not place a boundary, just a marker. The others work like the fill tool in placing a detail boundary. Also watch the tool... it likes to default to link to an existing detail, fine if that's what you wanted, but if you were looking to place a new detail..... I have not found a way to change a linked detail to a new detail window.

[Anonymous]

millard said

"... you cannot link a detail to a section window"

i could be misunderstanding what you're saying but this certainly works fine for me

bill

[Link]

Bill - I'm sure you must be mistaken! But I'd LOVE to be proven wrong! Please explain what you are doing!

Cheers,
Link.

[Karl Ottenstein]

Link wrote:
Sure you can - firstly turn detail boundaries on in Display Options. Don't worry - they won't print. Secondly set your detail's parameters so that the 'Working Mode' is set to 'Follow Clipping Polygon'. Thirdly, select the detail, and with the Detail tool active, click on the edge of the boundary. You can edit it like any other ArchiCAD polygon.

Actually, no need to have the Detail tool active in 9.0 ... pet palette allows all with any tool, even arrow. 😉

Karl

[Karl Ottenstein]

Link wrote:

Thanks for the response. Can you link to details outside of the file the detail link is referenced from? Say to a DWG from a manufacturer?

Nope - you'll need to bring the DWG into the project. And since you can't XREF into a detail (or S/E) window, you'll need to bring it into your plan window and cut & paste it into your detail window.

Would the following work as a trick/workaround? (Error prone, of course, but it would keep the dwg's external and thus hotlinked to the LBK...which has its own advantages.)

Suppose you create an empty detail for each DWG detail to be placed in PM. This would serve as a placeholder be used with a detail cloud and marker to (1) show the proper sheet reference in plan or section (unfortunately not inside another detail) via autotext update, and (2) optionally to show an alternative auto-title in PM.

In PM, place the (linked) empty, placeholder details in the drawing grid in the same location as you will place the (linked) DWG. Thus, if you are using grid-assigned numbering, the proper detail number (and page number) will flow back to the detail markers (all of them) in your project file.

Workarounds are just that, and this one has the potential of making it awkward to rearrange drawings on a layout - the solution there is to use Mark Burginger's tip from 8.0 and to select the drawings by right-mousing them in Navigator (select and zoom) rather than trying to select them visually in the layout ... especially since the placeholder detail is empty ... hotspots only. There is the potential for serious errors if you forget and drag the DWG and don't drag the placeholder ... then your references will be to the wrong details! For this reason, having the placeholder generate the autotitle seems the best bet, then you can at least see if the name of the detail matches the detail.

Have not tried this myself ... just an idea! 😉

Karl "workarounds are us"