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adeel wrote:Totally agree!!
A bad design is a bad design with or without computers. The problem lies primarily in the user of the tools...
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Da3dalus wrote:The Bilbao Guggenheim was not designed with computers. The plain hand-drawn sketches were translated into physical mockups (clay? wood?), traced into 3D points, converted into 3D surfaces using Rhino and fully modeled into a construction model in CATIA. And AFAIK, the plans and sections are mainly AutoCAD 2D drawings.
I could certainly do the Guggenhein in ArchiCAD, but it would be a lot of segmented pieces on a helix frame that would be written in GDL. ArchiCAD may not be any good for the initial concept design, but you're talking about 1% of the overall project effort. The rest is in the details!
2009-02-26 02:39 PM
Da3dalus wrote:Well, technically speaking, the Guggenheim Bilbao (and by extension the Walt Disney Theater in LA) is anything but 'modular' in its design and construction. Otherwise you wouldn't need ten thousand dollar CATIA ( and Digital Project) software to rationalize and document those forms. To accurately work out and document the large variance in the curvature of those forms and geometry, they had to use a lot of custom and specialized fabricated unit parts.
.......... I could certainly do the Guggenhein in ArchiCAD, but it would be a lot of segmented pieces on a helix frame that would be written in GDL. ArchiCAD may not be any good for the initial concept design, but you're talking about 1% of the overall project effort. The rest is in the details!
Someone had to figure out how to build it out of modular building materials. If you leave it to the contractor, he'll bring it in 2 years late and 300% over budget. Frank could do that, but I couldn't. ......
Da3dalus wrote:Lastly, you may not be aware, but the Guggenheim Bilbao actually came in, under budget and ON schedule. (The Disney Theatre in LA on the other hand went over budget but that had more to do with factors out of the control of the design and construction team, such as budget and cost overruns caused by the 1994 Northridge earthquake, which halted construction and drove up costs - as well as multiple design changes requested by the client).
If you leave it to the contractor, he'll bring it in 2 years late and 300% over budget. Frank could do that, but I couldn't. ......
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Aaron wrote:
Back in the day when CATIA was used to design Mirage fighter jets, I remember reading that what made the software so powerful was that it could define the location of an infinite number unlike its competitors that could only approximate points. I thought 'defect' this due to polygons ultimately being a representation of a surface. CATIA sounds like it deals absolutely with a virtual surface.
Is that true? True still? Is that why it costs trillions of dollars to use?
Aaron wrote:I may be wrong, but my understanding of that situation was that it was more of a bureaucratic kaffafel on the bidding/construction end of the project (i.e. Ontario provincial govt. rules and issues vs. the private sub-contractors) more than it had anything to do with Gehry's design or project delivery. It's not exactly that complex of a design anyway (morphologically speaking) aside from the curvy curtain wall/facade and the spiral stair feature that he designed.
Clarence: do you know anything about cost overruns and improperly manufactired assemblies at the Art Gallery of Ontario. Does anyone know what that was about? The inside poop, as it were?
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