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2008-09-26 02:30 PM
2008-09-26 05:39 PM
KeesW wrote:Amen.
Reading the stuff on Vectorworks on this forum is quite depressing. It does maybe 90% of ArchiCad for 30% of its cost. It will soon do 110% of AC and will (probably) still be much cheaper. We have in GS a company that is too complacent to attend major architectural and building conferences. ArchiCad still has crappy stairs, dodgy library objects and defaults that make me wonder if architects are still involved with its development. Users scream out for improvements in fundamental operations and instead get the ability to create multicoloured backgrounds and now, curtain walls.
I like ArchiCad and would like to be proud of it. But what, if anything, is it really good at? Is there anything at which it is best? All we get is compromises, clever ideas that nearly work but others that are never fixed. We have to pay extra for addons to do what our CAD system should enable to do out of the box.
Come on, Graphisoft, pull your finger out and really give us a first class product. Properly finance the fixing of long standing gripes before introducing yet another new feature that most users don't need. Listen to us, your users. Don't we have a say and don't we pay your wages?
2008-09-26 05:46 PM
KeesW wrote:KeesW, I guess you should direct your request to Vectorworks' and Archicad's common owner, Nemetschek AG. Graphisoft will do what they tell them to - or not to!
Come on, Graphisoft, pull your finger out and really give us a first class product. Properly finance the fixing of long standing gripes before introducing yet another new feature that most users don't need. Listen to us, your users. Don't we have a say and don't we pay your wages?
2008-09-27 09:55 AM
2008-09-27 11:43 AM
KeesW wrote:Preach, brother! Preach!!!
Reading the stuff on Vectorworks on this forum is quite depressing. It does maybe 90% of ArchiCad for 30% of its cost. It will soon do 110% of AC and will (probably) still be much cheaper. We have in GS a company that is too complacent to attend major architectural and building conferences. ArchiCad still has crappy stairs, dodgy library objects and defaults that make me wonder if architects are still involved with its development. Users scream out for improvements in fundamental operations and instead get the ability to create multicoloured backgrounds and now, curtain walls.
I like ArchiCad and would like to be proud of it. But what, if anything, is it really good at? Is there anything at which it is best? All we get is compromises, clever ideas that nearly work but others that are never fixed. We have to pay extra for addons to do what our CAD system should enable to do out of the box.
Come on, Graphisoft, pull your finger out and really give us a first class product. Properly finance the fixing of long standing gripes before introducing yet another new feature that most users don't need. Listen to us, your users. Don't we have a say and don't we pay your wages?
2008-09-27 12:41 PM
Thomas wrote:.....unfortunately, I don't believe ArchiCAD is that high on the list of development priorities and R & D resource disbursement, over at Nemetscheck HQ. If you compare the proposed revisions, updates and new features that they previewed for Vectorworks 2009 ( as well as the upgrades to VW20008), along with changes and improvements to other Nemetschek products (Allplan, Cinema 4D etc), you begin to wonder whether or not these products and subsidiary firms all fall under the same umbrella with ArchiCAD.KeesW wrote:KeesW, I guess you should direct your request to Vectorworks' and Archicad's common owner, Nemetschek AG. Graphisoft will do what they tell them to - or not to!
Come on, Graphisoft, pull your finger out and really give us a first class product. Properly finance the fixing of long standing gripes before introducing yet another new feature that most users don't need. Listen to us, your users. Don't we have a say and don't we pay your wages?
2008-10-01 05:39 AM
2008-10-01 12:33 PM
Bricklyne wrote:Would you happen to know where this post is? This would make informative reading...
Compare the post linking the Vectoworks presentation previewing their product line up to 2011 when they expect to make it a fully BIM product, along with their general roadmap, to the yearly silent treatment we get from Graphisoft, over here - especially prior to new releases (and even after the actual releases).
2008-10-01 01:37 PM
2008-10-01 11:17 PM