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[Anonymous]

Maybe,is better 2d drawing in archicad,because you dont need to redrawing for 3d, but i insist, that ONLY for 2d drawing face of the project,autocad is faster,even for a non expert user.Simple interface ,basics commants for 2d.
In the 3D-modeling stage, it is sure that Archicad is the king.


Anyway,it is just an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Dekanat wrote:
Maybe,is better 2d drawing in archicad,because you dont need to redrawing for 3d, but i insist, that ONLY for 2d drawing face of the project,autocad is faster,even for a non expert user.Simple interface ,basics commants for 2d.
In the 3D-modeling stage, it is sure that Archicad is the king.


Anyway,it is just an opinion.

This is completely OT but I have to respond. I have had quite the opposite experience. Most of the AutoCAD users I have known who switched to ArchiCAD end up preferring ArchiCAD for 2D (assuming they actually learn all the snaps, locks, constraints and other essential techniques).

I have worked with one firm whose practice is almost exclusively 2D in ArchiCAD and they are very productive.

I also observed at the CAD Top Gun contest at the AEC Systems show, which is basically 2D drafting, that ArchiCAD beats AutoCAD consistently. David Marlatt, an expert ArchiCAD user, won one year. And another year I saw an ArchiCAD neophyte (about 2 weeks experience) come in second in a field of advanced AutoCAD users.

I am working right now with two firms that have just switched from AutoCAD and everyone who has reached a fair proficiency with ArchiCAD clearly prefers it for drafting. The most advanced among them hate it when they occasionally have to go back into AutoCAD.

I have known exceptions to this but they are generally masters of AutoLisp or otherwise highly advanced users who have really customized ACAD to their specific needs.

[Anonymous]

@Mattthew

Thank you Mathew.
You let know every time very helpful things I can have never contact.

[TomWaltz]

I've had users fight me tooth-and-nail on Archicad in general who absolutely loved its 2D drafting capabiltiies.

[Anonymous]

I just can't resist adding my two-penny worth to this thread, at the risk of receiving howls of protest!

I have 4 years experience in Archicad, and before that 10 years in Autocad. Perhaps like Matthew's 'highly advanced customers' I had the program tailored to my specific needs. But for fast drafting - there was nothing to beat it. I had 'autosnap' switched off, and all my snaps programmed on Function keys (the way I was taught to use it). Then a few choice lisp routines like 'zoom out' or 'offset to a layer'. This made it a whizz - I could practically draft with my eyes shut (no nasty comments please!) Left hand stays on the keyboard (no 'control' keys required), right hand on the mouse, mouse never strays from the drawing.

Archicad has loads of good points, but you just can't crack out a quick drawing - and plot it! - anything like as fast. Selection is more difficult. Even deleting objects is slow. Too much time is wasted taking the mouse away from the drawing area to select a different 'mode'.

I still use Autocad at home, where I don't have the luxury of unlimited office hours to spend getting something done!

[Petros Ioannou]

Dekanat,
I have to disagree with you.
Make the following test in both apps:
A. draw a rectangle and fill it with a hatch
BA. then open a rectangular hole in the hatch.
In AC you will need 2 moves. ( 1. a fill with an outline, 2. select the fill, draw another one inside it)
In Acad you need 5! (1 for the rectangular. 2 for the hatch, 3. for the rectangle inside. 4. delete the old hatch. 5 draw a new hatch.

I have to mention the BIG difference in text handling (real printed mm fonts fs "trying to figure out the correct size" scaled drawing fonts.
There is also a big advantage of AC snap points (specially in dividing an element) over Autocad's divide command.
Creating a custom hatch? A new linotype?
Curving a segment of a polyline in Acadia? how easy and accurate is it?
And the list goes on...
In my opinion there are plenty of tools in Acad but how many of them are really useful for an Architect? And don't forget 2da isn't only about lines.(Annotation , symbols , lines)

I am not saying that AutoCAD is weak in 2d, on the contrary. It all comes up to the skills of the user....

Petros

[Ignacio Azpiazu]

I am not saying it is necessarily this case but I've seen a lot of it: a disgracefully high proportion of ArchiCAD beginners out there are just not aware of the drawing constraints (the parallel, perpendicular, bisecting, division, distance, and all that), let alone their shortcuts. Which is like trying to draft with a hand tied at the back and the other one holding a paint roller.

[Anonymous]

Ignacio wrote:
...like trying to draft with a hand tied at the back and the other one holding a paint roller.

ala Rolf Harris. "Can you tell what it is yet?"

[Srinivas]

Dear all,

Here in India we come up with a new concept to promote ArchiCAD. The Concept is Titled as "VB through 2D glasses". We compared how good ArchiCAD in terms of 2D with AutoCAD and the results are quite fascinating.

A floor plan is drafted on AutoCAD it took 260 mouse clicks and 26 min. for an average user to do that in AutoCAD with all the exterior dimensioning. The same floor plan when done in AC it took just 37 Mouse clicks and 11 min for a starter in ArchiCAD. Ofcourse for me it took less than 5 min. So, this way we are able to convince our customers to believe that ArchiCAD is good even in 2D.

So even when you compare ArchiCAD with AutoCAD even in terms of 2D you can increase your productivity by 40%.

cheers,
Srinivas

[TomWaltz]

Srinivas wrote:
A floor plan is drafted on AutoCAD it took 260 mouse clicks and 26 min. for an average user to do that in AutoCAD with all the exterior dimensioning. The same floor plan when done in AC it took just 37 Mouse clicks and 11 min for a starter in ArchiCAD. Ofcourse for me it took less than 5 min. So, this way we are able to convince our customers to believe that ArchiCAD is good even in 2D

Uh.... wow. That's a good one for the resellers to use!