V15 new guideline methods

[Arcadia]

With the new guidelines in V15 I am finding it very frustrating that I can no longer get guidelines when I hover the cursor over element handles. For instance if I want to place a window in a wall that lines up with the edge of another window or door in an opposite wall I used to be able to hover over the edge of the existing window which would give me a guideline that intersected both walls then I could drop the new window in on this guideline at the wall intersection. In V15 I don't get them so I have drop the window in the wall then drag it across to line up to where I want it which is a slower 2 step process. Also you don't get guidelines when hovering over special snap points. Why would they reduce the functionality of this really important tool!!!!

[matthewjj]

I am going to have to agree it seems to have move 2 steps forward and 3 steps back. I too have tried to get used to the new method but it slows me down.

I appreciate the ability to control which "nodes" react to the guidelines but I used to be able to just go to the mid point of anything and then a perpendicular line would pop up immediately. Now I have to hover on the edge, press the little circle thing, go back to the mid-point and then it will show me the perpendicular guide.

One last thing that is driving me crazy, I used to be able to hit escape and all the guidelines would delete. Now I have to right-click and select "Remove All Guidelines".

The only problem I would have fixed was the vague method of certifying you wanted to use certain guideline when they popped up, the "Hover & Rub" thing always seemed like an unfinished thought. The little circle thing fixes that. Go back to the old way for everything else (for 2D at least).

[Greg Kmethy]

matthewjj wrote:
...but I used to be able to just go to the mid point of anything and then a perpendicular line would pop up immediately. Now I have to hover on the edge, press the little circle thing, go back to the mid-point and then it will show me the perpendicular guide.

The perpendicular guide line only shows up in relation to an other guide line. So the exact process in ArchiCAD 14 to show a guide line perpendicular to a slanted angle wall at it's midpoint was:
- hover over the wall so that the blue guide line (parallel to wall) comes up
- hover over the blue guide line to make it permanent
- hover over the midpoint of the wall to make the blue perpendicular guide line show
- hover over the perpendicular guide line to make it permanent.

In ArchiCAD 15 however you can do this:
- Hover over the wall and hit "force guideline" to show guide line (you don't even have to click the red dot)
- Hover over the midpoint and "click force guideline"
- Find the direction and click to place guide line.

So using the "force guideline" command it's actually faster to do this in ArchiCAD 15.

[matthewjj]

[ONE WEEK LATER]...
Gergely you are right. I stand corrected. After a week of working with the new system and getting the "Force Guideline" command set into my shortcuts I am happy with the new system. I still think not being able to use the Escape key to get rid of all the guidelines is annoying and I can't seem to get a shortcut to work for the "Remove Guidelines" command.

[Eduardo Rolon]

matthewjj wrote:
[ONE WEEK LATER]...
… I still think not being able to use the Escape key to get rid of all the guidelines is annoying and I can't seem to get a shortcut to work for the "Remove Guidelines" command.

Strange I have Ctril+` as the shortcut and it works fine.

[jakubc7]

In case someone is having the same problem as I was.
Just started using v15. Wanted to do a dimension from corner of wall to an angled boundary line. As someone already mentioned, it seems that when using dimension tool the guidelines don't quite work the same ... can't get a parallel guideline.

Until this is resolved, this is my workaround.

Create your guidelines while in wall tool (or maybe any other tool ... except dimension). Because dims don't disappear unless you force them to, you can switch to dimension tool and use the guideline created earlier to pick your point.

Hope Graphisoft sort this out ... quite annoying. Otherwise the force guideline is very good when using a shortcut.

[Barry Kelly]

How about using the place guide segment tool to place a guide segment perpendicular to the boundary and then dimension that.
Can all be done while in the dimension tool.
Barry.

[Gus Laurie]

How frustrating - I just found this bug to. (Dimension + relative guidelines)

Barry, I could not seem to get that to work.

A little workaround - a bit rough, but we are used to it with our beloved AC is to 'Rotate the orientation' to line up with the boundary you are after. Of course I only thought about it on my second last offset!!

[Barry Kelly]

Gus wrote:
Barry, I could not seem to get that to work.

Place a guideline on the boundary line first and then place a guide segment from the corner perpendicular to the boundary guideline.
Then you can dimension the guide segment.

But I just tried it again and placing the guidelines is no problem.
Now I had trouble selecting the intersecting point of the guidelines/boundary if I dimensioned from the wall to the boundary.
I found I had to dimension from the boundary/guide intersection first then back to the wall.

Barry.