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Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous
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Wisconsin becomes the first American State to request BIM based projects for state owned facilities.

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/dsf/masterspec_view_new.asp?catid=61&locid=4

I'm moving!

(ArchiCad lists as one of the recognized BIM software)
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Dwight
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Wisconsin has horizontal rain.
Dwight Atkinson
Anonymous
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Nobody is perfect.
Anonymous
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Dwight wrote:
Wisconsin has horizontal rain.
Yeah... Like here.
Anonymous
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Dwight, you are a silly boy. Have you ever been to Wisconsin? I was born and raised in Madison and I can tell you that there is a certain irony with a resident of Vancouver B.C. talking about horizontal rain in the upper Midwest. I'm sure it was calculated to get a laugh but fell flat on its face.

Stick with rendering. Meteorology is not your forte.

In the meantime, Wisconsin has always been fairly progressive and this decision seems well thought out.

Go Pack!
Dwight
Newcomer
When I was there, the rain was horizontal, completely unlike the happy, joyous and fragrant mist we have here.
Dwight Atkinson
Anonymous
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Dwight wrote:
When I was there, the rain was horizontal, completely unlike the happy, joyous and fragrant mist we have here.
You should have said that we always have here 😛

I'd love to see Canadian Federal and Provincial projects also require BIM. Perhaps it won't be long!
Krippahl wrote:
Wisconsin becomes the first American State to request BIM based projects for state owned facilities.

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/dsf/masterspec_view_new.asp?catid=61&locid=4

I'm moving!

(ArchiCad lists as one of the recognized BIM software)
Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all suck at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.

Does the state of Wisconsin require the BI or just the BIM ?

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Anonymous
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Steve wrote:
Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all <b>[censored]</b> at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.
Compared to what? Yes it can be a pain but it does work.
Matthew wrote:
Steve wrote:
Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all <b>[censored]</b> at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.
Compared to what? Yes it can be a pain but it does work.
Compared to the BI that can be extracted from a 2D set of working drawings. And ALMOST works, is the same as does NOT work to me.

I use ArchiCAD schedules and lists on a regular basis, and I am good at it, and in my opinion, ArhciCAD is ALMOST able to do what I need.

Perhaps the term "useful" is the important thing about the BI that can be extracted from an ArchiCAD model.

Useful to who, and useful for what?

I read the requirements they have for the BIM's and some of them are just plain silly. Fire sprinkler piping larger than 2" for example. That could exclude 90 percent of the piping on a 1 1/2" grided system.

If they would make a list of exactly what the BI they want to extract is, they would see that this information is not anything you can't get without a BIM.

Millions of buildings have been constructed without a BIM. The necessary, useful, and required information to construct the building all came form 2d plans, most of which did not even have the BI extracted from a digital file. All the information needed has been taken from the plans and specs.

This being the case, how is is reasonable to pass a law saying the project must be submitted as a 3D BIM ?

Will the State have software for all of the various programs that a BIM might be created with, and the staff to use it? What will they do with the BI in the model? Will they know how to extract it? Will we need to make smart parts that will generate the specific info they want in the exact format they want it?
Will they require you to sign over all rights you have to the BIM?
How will you protect your proprietary office standards, library parts, etc...
Will you have your BIM rejected because you did not use the State office standards and layers ?

There are so many problems with a law like this that they can not be listed here on this forum.

But it doesn't matter if the system for using the BIM is all worked out our not. All that matters is that the laws for it are established before it's ramifications are exposed.

Notice also some of the requirements for monitoring your work at different stages that are in the law.

Beware, the reason they want the BIM is not for the BI or the M.

This law is for the purpose of establishing State control, which will evolve into Federal control.

Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist States of America.

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