HOW CAN I ADJUST THE "STORY NUMBERS" MANUALLY?

[rob2218]

Come on folks...GS with all it's infinite wisdom must have made a provision to adjust the "story numbers" manually......please say there is a way.

This is causing major havoc on our teamwork/hotlinked files.

Please...tell me there is a way.

If not I'm going to have to CUT/PASTE all my TW information, story by story, into a new PLN file, then have to re-share and re-hotlink it....so please...tell me there's an easy way to adjust these numbers.

[rob2218]

HELPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!
Folks, I'm really in a jamb here.

I can't use the "merge" option, throws all sorts of windows and openings up in different story settings.

I can't use the "cut/paste" option when I got floor by floor cutting information inside the marquee'd area to a new file with the correct story settings......

Man...it's a total nightmare this IFC file.
it's been nothing but a horrible scenario since day one it was handed over to us.

[Richard Morrison]

I'm certainly no expert in IFC and Teamwork, but you can always insert ZERO height floors to get things to correlate. Also, it looks like something kind of weird is going on with your second floor heights. Shouldn't these all be the same? (Why are you putting new & existing on separate height stories?)

[Anonymous]

While I don't understand the approach you are using with your stories, I believe you are trying to change your Terrace Story from #1 to #-1.

The only way to do this is to insert a new story below story #1 (a new #-1 story) setup with the same heights as the #1 story, turn on all the layers on story #1, select all, copy to clipboard, move to the new #-1 story, paste to original locations, and delete the original #1 story to move all the stories above one number down.

I would save first.

[rob2218]

Reason we need to put "new" and "existing" on separate heights is because the "new building" has different heights floor to floor than the existing building.

We were told that we needed to make sure both "NEW BLDG" and "EXST BLDG" teamwork files had the exact same floor naming convention as well as the exact floor to floor heights.

But never did I imagine that the darn little "story number" on the left hand side would throw such a monkey wrench in how this existing building (remodel) teamwork file hotlinks in to the new building teamwork file.

Right now....the "NEW BLDG" teamwork file isn't reading the windows properly.

Compound the fact that the darn "Existing building" came from a sub-consultants IFC translation.......which just adds to the whole mess of things here.

When I merged/opened the IFC file the subs gave us....it came in with those settings as shown, where the ground floor was story number 2......but now that's causing a hellacious problem when it gets hotlinked out of the teamwork file we needed to share on both the "NEW BLDG" as well as the "EXST BLDG"....


Not to clear on making a new story and cutting pasting form the others...I tried that and it didn't bump down nor bump up anything.
Must be doing something not right.

[rob2218]

I just adjusted the story settings per the instructions provided to me by one user and here's the results.
As you can see, the windows on all stories were completed wiped out.

The IFC is causing the problem, as usual.
When I tried to re-open the IFC file, it never gave me a chance to select a story from which to assign either a "Ground Level" nor anything...it just opened up.

What appears to be happening is that the windows are IFC objects and are associated with walls on different stories.

Now to pinpoint which windows are associated with what walls on different stores is a complete nightmare!!!

So you can imagine what HAVOC this file is causing on my project.

[Erika Epstein]

rob2218 wrote:
Reason we need to put "new" and "existing" on separate heights is because the "new building" has different heights floor to floor than the existing building.

Right now....the "NEW BLDG" teamwork file isn't reading the windows properly.

Rob, When working with building which have different story heights you want to have each building in their own file and Hotlink a story by story module into the other files.

The first time you bring in the separate story files you will have to vertically drag each story up/down until the stories align properly. After this initial adjustment updating the hotlinks will not cause this step to be repeated.

[rob2218]

Yeah...we've already brought in a story at a time, one by one.
the are set in place, rotated to their proper location and are working as they should be.......hotlink wise....but where we are encountering a problem is with the translation over from the EXISTING BLDG teamwork, over to the NEW BLDG teamwork file.

When I look at the EXISTING BLDG teamwork database...it all reads properly.
When I open the NEW BLDG teamwork file which has the EXISTING BLDG teamwork file hotlinked in story by story...it doesn't behave properly.

A picture is worth a thousand words....it's easier to understand visually than it is to write the concept down using words......

[Anonymous]

As perhaps you have figured out by now, the story numbers are not editable, but this should not be a problem. When you place a multi-story hotlink it will ask you which story to align with your current one so you you can get around a difference in the story numbering.

On the other hand, linking projects with different story heights can get quite complicated.

The easiest way is probably to link single stories and adjust the linked modules' elevations to the host files story settings. One limitation/caution to this approach is that you have to make sure that doors and windows are all referenced the base elevation of the wall rather than to their home story (I assume this to be the source of your window problem). Another issue is that SEOs between element on different stories will lose their relationships when linked into another file story by story.

The other approach is to create a master set of stories with each building's stories interleaved with the other's at the appropriate differentials. This may require a one time reorganization of the models story by story to get things at their correct relative levels. This can either be done by cut and paste between stories (with all layers on and unlocked) or by hotlinking the old models story by story into a new empty template and then breaking the links.

There are more subtleties and the details depend an the particulars of your project, but hopefully this will help you get things sorted out.

[rob2218]

thanks Matthew,
Yes...you are correct. We "inherited" an IFC file from a sub using Revit (ohhh...sorry for the bad words).

When I opened the IFC file in Archicad, there was no option that allowed me to place or start the model and it's consecutive story settings in a story setting of my choice....it just "PLOPPED" the model data information where it wanted to and numbered the stories the way it (the software) wanted to.

To compound the problem further...yes, windows when created in the REVIT IFC that were on story 4, showed up on story 1. And windows and doors that were placed on story 3 were associated to story 8 (just using these numbers as examples).
Also, the doors and windows are not associated to a wall rather a story so when I move or relocate or try to adjust the story settings.....Voala!...windows disappear from different levels.....WHAT A NIGHTMARE!!

So, needless to say, it's been an educational nightmare in an IFC translation. it's been an educational nightmare in the whole "story settings" issue as well as a horid nightmare in the whole Teamwork/hotlinking issues we have encountered....but hey, no said Archicad came with an "EASY BUTTON" right.

Only Target has that.
🙂