2010-05-23 12:15 AM
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REVIT3DdotCOM wrote:So the users are "screwed" by Autodesk - yes - the license is the right to use the software - but in most cases such rights can be transfered to 3rd party, but such monopolist could make their EULA the way they want - I think the thinking decision makers should rather avoid using software with such clauses in the EULAs.
If you read the EULA (End User Licence Agreement) you are leasing the right to use the software vendor's technology for your use only. At least with Autodesk, you cannot resell the license to someone else legally.
The software is registered, installed and put into their database if someone bought your license it would be very difficult to every reinstall it or upgrade it. Anyone buying that license to save money would be screwed. If you sold your license and someone tried to install it, YOU would get a phone call from Autodesk License Compliance division. That's never a fun phone call.
You can only transfer a license through corporate merging of two companies. Of course, there are cases winding their way through the court system that can change all of that, but for now, have any of you actually read your EULAs or did you just click accept when installing every piece of software on your computers?
2010-05-27 06:02 PM
2010-05-27 06:37 PM
metanoia wrote:For most the barrier of going to court is as good as enforcement of the EULA.
In the court case Lazlo posted, the defendant sold the software anyway, and the EULA didn't stand up in court. I get the sense that EULAs do bully the users, but in court the EULA may not have any legs
2010-05-27 06:46 PM
Matthew wrote:Touchémetanoia wrote:For most the barrier of going to court is as good as enforcement of the EULA.
In the court case Lazlo posted, the defendant sold the software anyway, and the EULA didn't stand up in court. I get the sense that EULAs do bully the users, but in court the EULA may not have any legs
2010-05-28 02:02 AM
Piotr wrote:My first question is, who made you buy the software you use? Did Autodesk or Graphisoft force you to buy their product? It's a free market. No one at any software company, or for that matter, clothing store, restaurant, cable company, cellular company or car company made you buy their products.
So the users are "screwed" by Autodesk - yes - the license is the right to use the software - but in most cases such rights can be transfered to 3rd party, but such monopolist could make their EULA the way they want - I think the thinking decision makers should rather avoid using software with such clauses in the EULAs.
I know of another "funny" thing about Autodesk licensing policy - A company I know - changed their adress (inside the same city BTW) and they had a big problems with Autodesk - who claimed that they had to buy the licences again because of that - it was about 20 lics or so - so it was not an easy task.
Unfortunately the British GS division as I am reading some of previous posts is also SCREWING the users the Autodesk way - not allowing to sell AC licenses ;(
Best regards,
Piotr
2010-05-28 09:53 AM
REVIT3DdotCOM wrote:Yes it is free market - so I am pointing out that Autodesk - the biggest CAD producer in the world is "screwing" users who for some reasons would like to reduce their licenses - they paid for them and cannot sell the license rights.
My first question is, who made you buy the software you use? Did Autodesk or Graphisoft force you to buy their product? It's a free market.
You can't willingly buy something and then complain about it.
You're in business. You need tools to do your job. There's a price to pay for those tools. You add those costs into your fee hopefully like every other business in the world. So, what's your point about complaining about the EULA and all the other BS?Yup - but normally You can sell the tools if You not need them.
Do you complain to the oil company or the car company that your car only gets 20 mpg? Sorry to be so harsh (not really, I'm always like this), but you have to deal with the cost of being in business. All of you should just be thankful you're using BIM and not CAD. You're more efficient and hopefully, on the cutting edge. You spend less time drafting and are making more money.Yes of course - but one of the decision points - was - If I will be able to sell the tools I use - when/if I will not need them any more. An I have chosen Archicad - 1. because it is a good tool for the job and 2. I can sell one of my licenses if the economy force me to reduce the firm.
On the other point of the address change and having to repurchase licenses. That's completely untrue. There's a form you fill out, sign it, submit it to Autodesk and voila, your address is changed. The only possibility was that they tried to use the licenses at another firm. It is an implausible story. The license is only tied to the company or individual that purchased the license. There is no bearing on the address in any way in Autodesk's system.I am not saying the company did not workout the problem - they did - but after the "problems" - they reviewed the EULAs - and moreover the Autodesk policy (the EULA says - that Autodesk can agree for reselling licenses - but they never(or almost never) agreed for) - so they decided not to upgrade again and switched to Archicad.
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