Reality check - Revit

[Anonymous]

I´m sure someone will tell me how wrong I am, but I just saw the funniest 6 minutes video ever:

http://cad-vs-bim.blogspot.com/2008/09/filter-this-selectively-selecting-in.html

Apparently, it takes all of 6 minutes to explain how you can do selective selection in Revit, something that we do in ArchiCAD in five seconds with Ctrl+F, Atl+click, "+", and then 5 more seconds to apply different pens.

Thank Thor for making me choose the right one

[TomWaltz]

Martin wrote:

Keep in mind, our average project is 300,000 SF, so neither program is exactly blazing fast for us.

Ha Tom wait till you try a project of 265,000 Square meters (Over 4 levels Lots curved sloping Slabs oops! ROOFS although it is well structured with layers)
Macbook pro (new 15") V12 handles it like a Ferrari

I'm assuming you have that broken into multiple RVT files?

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:
I thought I would miss Find & Select a lot when I first started with Revit. What's interesting is that I found that I didn't need it. Revit's workflow just didn't seem to require it as much (possibly due to more use of "type" parameters in common elements). The selection tools are definitely weaker, but I do like the Filter Selection command.

It all depends on the sort of work you are doing.

I agree that selection tools are less needed in Revit for design work than in ArchiCAD. In my experience this is largely because of the relationships which automatically adjust related elements when design changes are made, whereas in ArchiCAD one has to select and modify the bits that don't adjust themselves.

On the other hand, in the work I am doing presently Find & Select is a primary tool and it's lack in Revit is a big disadvantage. We are doing construction coordination models on very large projects. In this work I find the Revit relationships more of a hindrance than a help and since much of the work is making revisions due to change orders and RFIs the quick and versatile selection tools of ArchiCAD are a big plus.

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:

Martin wrote:

Keep in mind, our average project is 300,000 SF, so neither program is exactly blazing fast for us.

Ha Tom wait till you try a project of 265,000 Square meters (Over 4 levels Lots curved sloping Slabs oops! ROOFS although it is well structured with layers)
Macbook pro (new 15") V12 handles it like a Ferrari

I'm assuming you have that broken into multiple RVT files?

UH No it was done in ArchiCAD 11 migrated to 12
1 master file
6 modules
It did get complicated but learnt a lot

[TomWaltz]

Martin wrote:

TomWaltz wrote:

Martin wrote:
Ha Tom wait till you try a project of 265,000 Square meters (Over 4 levels Lots curved sloping Slabs oops! ROOFS although it is well structured with layers)
Macbook pro (new 15") V12 handles it like a Ferrari

I'm assuming you have that broken into multiple RVT files?

UH No it was done in ArchiCAD 11 migrated to 12
1 master file
6 modules
It did get complicated but learnt a lot

Sorry, I thought you meant in Revit. I've done jobs that size in Archicad already (AC9 and AC10, not quite as snappy as AC11 and 12 are!).

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:
Sorry, I thought you meant in Revit. I've done jobs that size in Archicad already (AC9 and AC10, not quite as snappy as AC11 and 12 are!).

I think the construction team split it into 20 or so files Sloping slabs are a breeze in revit though.

[Anonymous]

I have learned both revit and archi well, and the two both are best..two programs have plus and min..I have some staf that I taught them archi cause archi has easy to learn interface. I myself still work in revit cause revit like more intuitive for me as an civil engineer..In my day work,I still handle the two programs from co worker..a key is, archi is more like from architec for architec while revit is more like from engineer for engineer and architec who works in architecture, structure and mep..

[Laszlo Nagy]

Rikhardus,
Just out of curiosity: Can you give some comparison between AC and Revit, pros and cons, based on your or your collegues' experiences? There has been some discussion on these topics. We do not have too many people fluent in both so as to give a broad opinion.

You might want to post that in the ArchiCAD vs Revit...pros and cons + various thread:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=9280

By the way, you might want to change the Location in your Profile so spam bot programs will not take your email address from the forum.

[Anonymous]

"laszlonagy" wrote:
Rikhardus,
Just out of curiosity: Can you give some comparison between AC and Revit, pros and cons, based on your or your collegues' experiences? There has been some discussion on these topics. We do not have too many people fluent in both so as to give a broad opinion.

I think that both AC and Revit are good but I can compare some of the two program, Revit has fully parametric internal engine, so single change updates all corresponding views/schedulles..AC has easy interface..Revit has instant and type family and In place family that easy to edit or modify while AC has GDL Object that requires knowledge of script. Revit has no layer but categories and specific while AC has layer..Revit has host for componen/family while AC doesn't. We can make our object/family ourself freely in Revit. I like Revit's Site Modeler and Mass Modeler..Layout in Revit is more integrated, Schedules are just another view in Revit..For me, ..Revit has better support from Autodesk resellers..For me, Revit can understand more for what I meant

[Laszlo Nagy]

OK, thanks for the information.

[Laura Yanoviak]

Rikhardus wrote:
[..Layout in Revit is more integrated, Schedules are just another view in Revit..

...and how is this different from AC?