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PlotMaker problems in TeamWork

Anonymous
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In assembling a set of docs based on a teamwork file, we are linking views to the lbk. Everything works great from my machine, where the project was started, set up and shared from.

The problem comes when someone else opens the lbk from a different machine. On the 2 jobs we've done this with, the library parts do not load properly when BGArchiCAD transfers the views. As I said, it works on the "setup" machine consistently. In allcases, teammates are able to load libraries and work on the files in regular AC.

We load 2 libraries: the standard AC Library .pla from the local disk, and the office standard library from the server.

One job consistently loads the AC library OK, but fails to load the office standards, the other job loads the office standards, but not the standard AC library.

I am at a loss for a solution. Unless there's something I'm missing, or the problem is fixed in 8.1/3.1, we'll be switching back to pmk's

Can anyone help? or at least sympathize?

TIA
Wes
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__archiben
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ahhh!

finally somebody with my very very annoying problem!

and of course if you put the archicad library on the network where BGarchicad has access to it, the library load times (archicad vs mac networking) get too long.

we have so far in our office tried many options to get around this, but none that work properly. at present we are doing the following:

the libraries are put on a network server and archicad "client" machines are using the cache libraries function to keep a local copy sychronised for archicad to work from.

this seems to work for about 50% of our team-mate's machines. ie BGarchicad will pick up archicad's preferences and load library parts from half of the machines. at the moment, we haven't figured out why it doesn't work on the other half!

library loading - in both archicad and background archicad - has been the bane of my life since archicad 8. we thought that we had it sorted in 8.1, but a deadline came along that put us under pressure and wiped out that notion!

please let me know if you find a solution - i'm still trying. . .


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Anonymous
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Can anyone help? or at least sympathize?
It's all about the paths to the libraries. We have all our hard drives named identically for this very reason. It's not so much a concern with stand-alone PLNs as when you open the file and set the correct path for the library and then save, BGArchiCAD gets the new library path. You get your network libraries o.k. because that path is consistent across all machines.

Unfortunately, with Teamwork, BGArchiCAD can only use the saved path - the one that was used when saved by a Team Leader with Exclusive Access. Even if you have the PLP open with the right paths, doing a Send and Receive as a Teammate will not help.

Users don't really NEED to have their own cute hard drive name. We have a consistent path on all our machines:

LNCPMac/Applications/ArchiCAD 8.1 folder/ArchiCAD Library 8.1

This will allow BG ArchiCAD to find the libraries properly. HTH

Mark

Anonymous
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first post!

We have had the same problem, fixed with logging in as teamleader on the plotmaker computer.
There is no other way to manage libraries in BGarchicad?
Seems like that's sort of a crucial thing to do. We're waiting to hear if this issue is fixed in 8.1 ...

Katie Bertsche
Mercer & Bertsche
AC8v3, MacG4s of various vintages, os x.2

Anonymous
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Katie wrote:
to hear if this issue is fixed in 8.1 ...
Nope. it's the same with 8.1. You can read my previous post as to the cause of the problem. To fix will require a bit of a change to the BGArchiCAD startup routine. A needed one mind you, but it might take a while.

Mark

Anonymous
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we havn't received the 8.1 discs yet, and we're still discovering things that 8 does every day (we spent a long time sticking with 6.5 until v2 came around).
just had a bit of a panic here in the office since renaming the harddrives makes archicad lose its add-on folder and lots of other various ramifcations to the setup which I will no doubt discover today...
but it works now! thanks!

Katie Bertsche
Mercer & Bertsche
AC8v2 various G4s osx.2

Djordje
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Katie wrote:
we havn't received the 8.1 discs yet, and we're still discovering things that 8 does every day (we spent a long time sticking with 6.5 until v2 came around).
You should have taken on v3, but bear out until 8.1 arrives ...
Djordje

ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995

Anonymous
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oops, typo, we do have v3.
still struggling away with library disaster here today...
could someone explain what the library cache setting should be on a teamwork project when we have some libraries on a server (project -specific libraries) and some on client machines (AC8 library)?
archicad is running the library loading window sometimes 4 times while signing into the project; a few times before setting the workspace, then a couple of times after. Actually it was doing this before I renamed the harddrives also. Is it possible to clear the cache out so it is not looking for the libraries on the same harddrive with an earlier name?
hope that makes sense...
thanks,
Katie Bertsche
Mercer&Bertsche
AC8*v3!* various G4s osx.2

__archiben
Newcomer
Djordje wrote:
You should have taken on v3, but bear out until 8.1 arrives ...
hmmm. library loading activity is still not quite up to the job on a mac as it should be in 8.1 either.

katie - if you want to send me a PM with your e-mail address, i'll e-mail you a lengthy 'report' that i have sent to graphisoft. it describes most of the problems and issues with the different workarounds that we have been trying.

if you want clear out your library cache, the default location is in your home folder library cache:
~/Library/Caches/Graphisoft/Local Cache Library/

delete the entire folder. that way archicad will ask you if you want to make a brand new one next time you enable your cache libraries...

~/archiben
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Anonymous
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This is surprising, We have no problems loading libraries (and we are mixed platform!).

Of course, we are not on AC8, so maybe that's the problem.

I thought I'd chime in anyway to say that we have all our libraries on our server (Mac OS X server, Dual G4 1.25ghz,100 base T + 1000 base T). Our library load times are very acceptable and things are easy, central and consistent. I would suggest that an investment in a good network is worth looking at, rather than a hodgepodge of local and network libraries (surprisingly, PCs are slower at loading libraries than Macs, but that could be because of our server)

I should add that we have customized our libraries pretty heavily to minimize the size. Typical size of loaded libraries is +/- 50Mb

Miguel

__archiben
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miguel

we have an Xserve with 1000 base-T capability, but the network is still running through a 100 base-T switch. what's yours?

please could you also tell me how long your library load time is for the 50MB if that's at all possible?

thanks
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Anonymous
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We are currently working in Teamwork but the Layouts can only be updated properly from the Team Leader's station. If a teammate tries to update from their computer the doors and windows disappear. We all have the same libraries loaded on our individual computers and the .plp on the server is linked to the server's libraries- which are the same as the individuals. The layout book is linked to the .plp. This has proven to be a major glitch in printing out sets since only one person can update the drawings.
Any suggestions?

__archiben
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david

there is already a topic about this issue with various work-arounds discussed . . .

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=164

~/archiben
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__archiben
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all

another tip/workaround that i've had from graphisoft about this recently:
graphisoft wrote:
It turned out that the library subtitution that worked for 7 works also for 8.1. That is: If ArchiCAD finds a library missing, it also checks a) the folder where the ArchiCAD execution file is wether the missing libraries are available in there b) the folder where the project to be opened is.

The workaround:

Place all the libraries that are needed for the project in the ArchiCAD 8.1 folder on the machine of the PlotMaker user. Make sure that the teamwork file is not saved with library references to the server machine, so that it would not find the libraries on the server, it would not load them from there. The drawback of this method is that users need to make sure that all the libraries are fresh on their machines, but for the bright side they will get fast library loading.

Unfortunately the library substitution does not work separately for each loadable library. If that worked you could store the project library beside the teamwork file on the server and the ArchiCAD 8.1 library in the ArchiCAD folder and Background ArchiCAD would automatically find the project library on the server, would load it via the network (would be always uptodate) and would load the ArchiCAD library from the clients machine.
it does work. but as they point out, the downside is that you have to synchronise the libraries manually, (or run synchronisation software to do the job for you) outside of the archiCAD environment.

~/archiben
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