Next phase of subscription transition announced

[Richard Doll]

Dear Community Members, 

Following my recent Graphisoft Insights post on the Subscription transition update, we know how important this topic is for you as our clients and anticipate your comments and questions. To streamline communication, we’ve created this thread to gather everything in one place. We’ll also use it to identify topics that may need further clarification, which we’ll address on our FAQ page.

Please note that while we cannot respond to individual questions in the forum, your local representative is available for personalized support.

Best regards,
Richard

Link to Insights article: https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Graphisoft-Insights/Important-update-Next-phase-of-subscription-...

[MatteoDes]

Another pay to use add-on landed on Archicad webpage. Adding behind a paywall features that could be easily added to archicad as baseline.

for like 588€ / year,

add this to the yearly archicad subscription considering all the features requested on this forum are slowly released one by one as payable Add on.

Model port : 249$ / year 

Land 4 : 588€ / year 

Plus the Archicad subscription 

[Kalib Stewart]

Funnily enough with how much they’re promoting these add-ons while not developing the software at all, really glad that most of us will be cancelling the subscription at AC30. All that money that we’d spend on Collaborate will now be far better spent on seperate add-ons with actual year on year upgrades worth paying for. I’d pay for these before I’d pay for the complete disappointments of AC28 and AC29 again. Then again, Revit LT looks like the best move right now. 

[mthd]

Hi @Kalib Stewart, Re: “Then again, Revit LT looks like the best move right now.”  

I think there is a bit of learning curve with Revit LT and also the problem of the 3D collaboration limitations with LT, puts me off. 

 The differenced are explained in this short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atJEYhatMSU

[Kalib Stewart]

LT’s not the greatest solution I agree; but it’s 1/5 of the price and workable for smaller practitioners. And, it trains you in the Autodesk suite at the same time. I just don’t see AC surviving a sub only model in our professional market. Everyone I speak to is looking to just hold on or make a move after V30. 

[mthd]

LT is definitely a good deal for the right market. I couldn’t be bothered going into learning Revit. It looks to be very slow and hard to use to me in comparison to what I know in using other CAD software ? If you are AutoCAD schooled and can get up to speed, it is a viable option for many. To me “Revit” because you really have to “rev it up” to get it to be productive 😜.

[Lingwisyer]

Being "AutoCAD Schooled" did not help for me... In my short time with Revit, I just found it really unituitive... And the model and drawings we were getting from our consultant from Revit were horrendous, though that is more on them than the program itself...

[ryejuan]

yeah, revit is another story... i have used that as well I mean my company fully utilizing revit but you need to have several in house team to make it work flawlessly that will develop your families, dynamo script to duplicate sheets without doing the long method and on top of that you need to make sure all the individuals involve are running on the same revit version when opening projects... the list goes on as well... it's a matter of choosing the lesser evil. 😅

[jl_lt]

Revit is a great tool!... as long as you aren´t the one actually using it

[ryejuan]

😆

[laembert]

I can't do architecture on revit. It is so painfully cumbersome...

[Bricklyne Clarence]

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@laembert wrote:

I can't do architecture on revit. It is so painfully cumbersome...

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One does not "do"* architecture on revit.

You document architecture on revit.

*if by "do" you mean actually designing architecture, that is.

It shouldn't surprise anyone to find that lots of companies that are on revit also have licenses and copies of sketchup and autocad on hand, where the actual design happens.

Archicad was supposed to be a sort of bridge in that gap between design and documentation before their developers and the Graphisoft higher-uppers decided to drive the software over the bridge itself into the deep gaping crevice of obsolescence.

[jl_lt]

i think we have already talked about this, but its always good fun to remember: there are many offices that design in autocad, model in sketchup, then model again the same thing in revit and then redo all the plans in autocad.  

[jl_lt]

Moving into real estate or contracting might be the better move. Or learning a trade like woodwork.  Becoming a youtuber telling stories about how there used to be a software called Archicad would be third.    Learning Revit or any other Post-graphisoft software would be a distant fourth in my book, but still a must in these days of software feudalism.

[mthd]

😆 

[Lingwisyer]

Except that the add-on being a subscription will eventually drop support for your AC version...

[laembert]

I hope that version 30 will achieve a special status, because as many AC users as possible will decide to stick with it and let Graphisoft suffocate a bit so they finally wake up and start working. And with this status and hopefully with many users addon developers will keep their products working.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Land4 is actually a pretty decent add-on for Archicad all things considered, and for a third-party addon developed to fill in for a function that's been lamentably neglected by Graphisoft within the program, quite well considered and developed.

Of the addons out there, it's one I'd really recommend, but it has to be said that I'm always of two minds when it comes to third party addons like this.

While it's great that the 'OPTION' exists out there for the various addons seeking to fulfil functions for things that aren't there in archicad or don't quite work as they need to, there's also this reality that their very existence is part of the large reason why the native tools they're complimenting in Archicad as so poor.

In this case, Graphisoft know there's a more than capable site modeling and landscaping addon out there, so what motivation do they have to improve things like the mesh tool (which is one of those legacy archicad tools in dire need of improvement and refreshing) or basic site documenting and development tools?

It's funny how they (Graphisoft) are now promoting this on their own page ignoring the fact that doing so also highlights their own negligence in addressing the same tools theyr're supposed to be complimenting  in Archicad.

Meanwhile,.....what "native" or "core" architectural tools are they actually spending development resources in the program on?

That 'highly' requested "wish" of a more powerful 'MEP Designer' and an 'AI Assistant' (The 21st Century 'Clippy' .....because recycling annoying features from 1990's Microsoft Office suite of products really is the way to go, guys.) and the ability to do things that Vectorworks has been able to do for the better part of decades, or since its inception.

[Erik Bjornhage]

"It sounds like you are trying to write a rant. Would you like help with that?"
- Clippy

[Bricklyne Clarence]

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More like,......(in Archicad 36....).......

Archicad AI Assistant : "Looks like you're trying to create a stair that winds on top of itself. Can we suggest some third party addons that might be able to help? You might have to pay upwards of $300-$800 to use them. And they may not work exactly like you want. Click here to open the addon store.  Have your credit card number ready to access the store and also to make the purchase. Anything else we can help you with today?

Sorry. Archicad does not do that. Click here for a list of sites and blogs with possible workarounds. Or else check the addon store again."

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[jl_lt]

battling to do something with archicad...

"thank you archi user!

but our princess is in another castle"

a permanent state of deja vu

[PrzemN]

I think it is good for this addon development that it is being sold separately. Remember Ecodesigner? Since it is a part of the Archicad NOTHING has been done with it