Door hand issue MAJOR Bug?

[Rick Thompson]

I have been doing a door schedule for years, and sent many out with no complaints. However today a builder called and told me all the "hand" designations are wrong. I know it is a confusing thing for most of us to get straight, but I assumed the computer was correct. After googling it, they all seem wrong??? I have just used the normal interactive schedule which I'll attach below.

Here is the correct answer>>>
"Stand inside the room with the door opening toward you. if knob is on the left its a left hand door. if knob is on your right its a right hand door. common sense and easy to remember!

All of these answers are right, but, for me, the easiest way is to face the door, with the door opening away from you. If it swings to the right, it is a right handed door. I think this is the simplest way to determine this. Easiest for me to remember anyway."

An AC friend just called and confirmed this huge error. All his schedules are wrong.

[Steve Jepson]

this is a little creepy.

[Steve Jepson]

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[Steve Jepson]

It can be complicated to set up a schedule that has what you want to show.
By "reverse" do you mean reverse swing or reverse bevel? Are you calling out the jamb, door panel, or lock set ? What if it's a passage door and there is no key and inside or outside is arbitrary ?

This is why better graphics in the schedules is important.




http://www.steeldoor.org/res/A250_7.pdf


Shot at 2012-03-27

[KeesW]

A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

[Anonymous]

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

[Anonymous]

s2art wrote:

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

In the states it points to the hinge side (same with awning/casement/hopper windows). As I recall it's the other way in Europe.

As far as swing directions per US standards, I've always rembered it as swinging in the same direction as my arms. Away to the right is a right hand door. Of course this only applies consistently to simple single doors. Otherwise I rely usually on the elevations.

Regarding the bug: I recall R & L being backwards by default a long time ago but I've been using custom parts for so long now I've forgotten the details and haven't kept up on more recent developments.

[Barry Kelly]

s2art wrote:

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

I always imagine I have 2 hinges and 1 lock (catch) - so the V points to the lock.
That is the way I have done it here in Aus for the last 20 odd years.
But we are upside-down here.

I can see a can of worms being opened here.
But was it opened clockwise or anti-clockwise?

Barry.

[Anonymous]

Barry wrote:

s2art wrote:

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

I always imagine I have 2 hinges and 1 lock (catch) - so the V points to the lock.
That is the way I have done it here in Aus for the last 20 odd years.
But we are upside-down here.

I can see a can of worms being opened here.
But was it opened clockwise or anti-clockwise?

Barry.

Don't you guys open the can from the bottom?

[Anonymous]

s2art wrote:

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

Of course if the latch and hinges are shown this provides a way to check which method is used.

[Stress Co_]

s2art wrote:

KeesW wrote:
A related issue is the opening symbol shown on elevations. I can never remember if the 'v' points to the hinge or the lock!

You point it to the lock (wrong), I point it to the hinge (correct).

I see that we are now given the option in AC15 (Cadimage D&W builder always did).

I can remember back when the US versions were as AU and I used 2D lines to correct the elevations.