AC 20 Interface
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‎2016-07-01 04:04 AM
B.L.LING ARCHITECT INC.
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Mac Pro 3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5
AC 20
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‎2016-07-02 01:40 AM
We use colour (especially in THIS profession) to memory associate and as a big mnemonic tool, and you don't really realize how much you rely on it until it's taken away.
Once again it just seems like everything is being driven and designed by engineers (coders and developers) rather than by people who are actually working in this profession.
The lack of depth (shadows or strong outline) between tabs, palettes, toolbars, etc...... also makes the new interface a bit of a pain to use (okay, a huge one).
I just wish they had kept the option of using a legacy interface (for example, they still easily could have done all the other changes, like then new favourites even with the old interface). I hate having to adjust to something that's not intuitive on it's face and regardless of whether one chooses to upgrade to this version or not, it seems like this is what they are settled on using, going forward, and it's just a shame.
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‎2016-07-02 07:03 PM
David wrote:I've only used AC20 a little bit, but the first thing I noticed was how much calmer and less cluttered everything seemed. Much more relaxing to use!
Ben:
Give it some time. It took me one or two weeks to adjust (during Beta test), and now AC19 looks very dated. I find the new interface more tranquil.
David
In some ways I wish I could assign colors to different icons, or especially different colored layers in the layers settings. That said, it is nice to look away from the drawing (which has lots of colors) and see all the palettes and toolbars in black and white as it seems to make visual navigation of the screen less complex and tiring. Working on a retina iMac the icons are super sharp and clear even thought they are quite small. This is a MAJOR improvement for me.
As I go back and forth between AC 18, 19 and 20. I am finding that I much prefer the simplicity and clarity of 20,
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‎2016-07-03 11:38 PM
Bricklyne wrote:Speaking of color (or colour) and UI.
We use colour (especially in THIS profession) to memory associate and as a big mnemonic tool.....
I WISH we could color (or colour) code the project map,
view map, layout book and publisher sets.
(Like apple had in finder c. OS 10.8 )
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‎2016-07-04 02:56 AM
AC 28.1
MacBook Pro (2023) M3 Max -48 Gb RAM - Sequoia 15.3.2

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‎2016-07-04 06:23 PM
AMD Ryzen9 5900X CPU, 64 GB RAM 3600 MHz, Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB, 500 GB NVMe SSD
2x28" (2560x1440), Windows 10 PRO ENG, Ac20-Ac28

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‎2016-07-05 02:26 AM
Stress wrote:I really wish we could like posts!Bricklyne wrote:Speaking of color (or colour) and UI.
We use colour (especially in THIS profession) to memory associate and as a big mnemonic tool.....
I WISH we could color (or colour) code the project map,
view map, layout book and publisher sets.
(Like apple had in finder c. OS 10.8 )
AC 19 6006 & AC 20
Mac OS 10.11.5
15" Retina MacBook Pro 2.6
27" iMac Retina 5K
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‎2016-07-05 11:59 AM
laszlonagy wrote:Just because other fields and disciplines are adopting this "norm" doesn't automatically mean that it's the right way for this profession to follow as well.
This clean, flat look is becoming the new norm in multiple systems like macOS, Windows 10, and also in iOS, if I am not mistaken.
Those are operating system interfaces and GUI's that you've pointed out.
They're expressly designed to cater to a wide variety of people with different tastes, needs, sensibilities and conditioning.
As such it would make sense to adopt as neutral and flat a look as possible, and which simplifies all functions and features as much as possible, and is reductionist in every sense.
ArchiCAD is a program that's (ostensibly) designed and developed to cater to a very particular and specific set of users with a specific way of working and a conditioning and training that adapts them to working that way.
Why anyone would then imagine that an architect or designer would be okay, .....or would want to use the same interface as an engineer for example,.... or a geologist, or a climatologist (by way of example).........just because others are doing it that way, is frankly speaking beyond me.
We're all trained to view, analyse and perceive the world in different ways from all those other professions so it would make sense that we also work differently from them, and that we also manipulate and assess graphical information, specifically, differently from them too.
This is essentially the same kind of reasoning that saw Revit end up with an interface that looks like it was pulled out of the backside of the unholy love-child of an engineering program and an even more byzantine and inscrutable engineering program. (Which,.....oddly enough, is exactly how Revit came about in the first place).
Once you convince yourself into believing that if everyone else is okay with mining through countless dialog boxes and drop-down menus by way of defining your user interface and that it should then be okay for Revit users - you end up with Revit.
Which speaks volumes as to why it's a horrible program for design (from a user-interface point of view), and which in turn boggles the mind as to why the developers of ArchiCAD who pioneered this field would now think it prudent to just "go with the crowd" and do what everyone else is doing.
I think the simplest and most straightforward assessment (which speaks volumes as to it's effectiveness) should be in the fact that the most common remark and review of it (- even from people speaking favorably of it) is ,....."I need to get used to it"....
...or... "Once I got used to it...."

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‎2016-07-05 03:01 PM
Robby wrote:I know that is a result of autocorrect, but given all the red in the icons, seems spot on.
I'm going to guess the Statue of Steve Jobs directed Graphisoft to follow the Apple Interface.....not ketchup
David
www.davidmaudlin.com
Digital Architecture
AC28 USA • Mac mini M4 Pro OSX15 | 64 gb ram • MacBook Pro M3 Pro | 36 gb ram OSX14
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‎2016-07-27 05:31 PM
i7-4790K/32 GB; GTX 980/4 GB

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‎2016-07-28 01:35 PM
Also there are people that don't like changes at all because can't adapt so quickly as others.
In half an year or so we will see if there is so big complain about the UI, but I doubt it.
The more important thing for me is if there is a lack of bugs!
