ArchiCAD 11

[Anonymous]

ArchiCAD 11 will come soon (as much as I suspect..)
What can AC 11 do better than AC10?

[Chazz]

Steve wrote:
They could just as easily have made it available in ArchiCAD, but have chosen not to do that,
leaving ArchiCAD a lame BIM program.

Steve, I'm not sure there's room on this forum for TWO Nattering Nabobs of Negativity. You're really encroaching on my turf.

Personally this whole Constructor thing mystifies me. I cannot imagine a market for it. Most of the construction firms I've dealt with (some large ones) feel that a computer is an appliance that does email (from the interweb or possibly the webnet) and runs Excel. I can't fathom many of them getting down in the techo-slime to mud-wrestle with the likes of an illegitimate spawn of ArchiCAD like Constructor, no matter how much sense it makes on paper....

You guys have at it and debate this point to it's heady conclusion but I'm sitting this one out. Lemme know when you figure it all out......

[Steve Jepson]

Looking at this from the perspective of a Design/Build Contractor and ArchiCAD user, I think Constructor has a direct relationship on the future of ArchiCAD as it is becoming a fully functional BIM program.

ArchiCAD’s “Calculation” features receive a grade of D+ at best for it’s abilities in this area.

Constructor is a fully functional state-of-the-art BIM program.
ArchiCAD is not.

Vico is about 3 months old now right?

What are the programs they have bundled into Constructor?
Where did they get them?
What is the history of there development?
I will not bore you with that information again.
Have the sales rep. send you the pricing info so you can see what programs you get with Constructor and how much the subscription fees are for each program.

The bulk of what you are getting is from old Graphisoft R& D and other programs.
Graphisoft R & D sold them to Vico instead of developing them for ArchiCAD.

I was told by someone who is supposed to know, that Constructor can not import ArchiCAD BI, and that ArchiCAD can not import Constructor files.
The two programs are not compatible.

If it is true, how is Constructor not a competitive product? Of course it is! They both are trying to be the best BIM software available.

Constructor has everything we need to make ArchiCAD a state-of-the-art BIM program and ArchiCAD’s BIM is almost useless, even to a very large percentage of ArchiCAD users. Would anyone disagree with that?

And where did Constructor originate? Graphisoft R&D ??

Now that what we need for ArchiCAD is owned by Vico, the potential for these programs that enable Constructor to be what it is, are never going to be a part of what completes ArchiCAD as a BIM program.

I do hope that ArchiCAD 12 is all about completing ArchiCAD’s evolution into the BIM program it aspires to be.

The fastest way to do that is for Graphisoft to buy Vico and rename Constructor, ArchiCAD 12.

Why not?
If Vico can negotiate the rights to use Archicad with their other software and sell it as Constructor, why can’t Graphisoft negotiate to use their software and bundle it for use with ArchiCAD 11, and call it ArchiCAD 12?

I sincerly hope that what I have heard about he incompatibility between ArchiCAD and Constructor is not true.

[__archiben]

Steve wrote:
The fastest way to do that is for Graphisoft to buy Vico and rename Constructor, ArchiCAD 12.

see, you're looking at things arse-about-face. what graphisoft should've done was drop "archicad" as we know it and market the "Constructor Suite" - a complete one-stop shop for the construction professional. it should also have been modularised so that you would just pick and choose modules based on your specific needs. the mistake graphisoft made was in not seeing a continuation of the architectural model through to the construction model: they ended up with two mutually exclusive systems. however.

'constructor' is archicad one version behind "Archicad", and with added code - whether by add-on or at a low-level. 'virtual construction' is primarily a service rather than a product. yes - there are people who have bought it as a product and are using it as such, but primarily it's a service. it's also a service division that's running at a loss because the uptake has been lower than anticipated.

so, steve, 64 million dollar question: when nemetschek/graphiosft sold their constructor division which relies on core, protected, archicad code (one version behind) to function, do you really think that they left the door open for the purchaser to get in on their game?!

stop wittering.

~archiben

[Steve Jepson]

see, you're looking at things arse-about-face. what graphisoft should've done was drop "archicad" as we know it and market the "Constructor Suite" - a complete one-stop shop for the construction professional. it should also have been modularized so that you would just pick and choose modules based on your specific needs. the mistake graphisoft made was in not seeing a continuation of the architectural model through to the construction model: they ended up with two mutually exclusive systems. however.


I could not agree more with you and I made the same observations and predictions quite some time ago.

'constructor' is archicad one version behind "Archicad", and with added code - whether by add-on or at a low-level. 'virtual construction' is primarily a service rather than a product. Yes. And as I have said so many times before, marketing it as a unique product is like the same smoke and mirrors marketing that was tried with ArchiCAD Residential. The Primavera it comes with is also outdated, so are some of the other programs, and you can not buy Constructor with out these outdated programs even if you all ready have the new ones.

yes - there are people who have bought it as a product and are using it as such, but primarily it's a service. it's also a service division that's running at a loss because the uptake has been lower than anticipated.

so, steve, 64 million dollar question: when nemetschek/graphisoft sold their constructor division which relies on core, protected, archicad code (one version behind) to function, do you really think that they left the door open for the purchaser to get in on their game?!

stop wittering.

~archiben

Yes. I do. Consider this. In a matter of months (I am told) Constructor will have 11 too. It is today, and will be then, all that ArchiCAD could have, should have, and deserves to be, right now.

Is wittering like when you complain about being sold the full-meal deal for more than the costs of the burger, fires, and drink sold separately?

There are over 30,000 hits on this topic and 200 responses.

ArchiCAD cad users want to know about the future of ArchiCAD.
I think it is nieve to think that VICO in not a factor in that future.

[TomWaltz]

Steve wrote:
...I have never used Constructor...

I think ....

You aren't thinking at all and it seems that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Most of what you are saying is a combination of completely wrong or completely misguided.

You say you never used Constructor and you obviously know absolutely nothing about it, not even the basic information available on the website, yet you sit there and postulate about what it is and what it does. You're like the 5 blind men and the elephant, except that they were actually trying to understand the strange thing they had encountered. You aren't. Do a little reading, get your facts straight, then let us know what you think.

Arguing based solely on opinion with no facts or incorrect facts has no value. It just makes you sound like a troll.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

TomWaltz wrote:

Steve wrote:
...I have never used Constructor...

I think ....

You aren't thinking at all and it seems that you don't have a <b>[censored]</b> clue what you're talking about. Most of what you are saying is a combination of completely wrong or completely misguided.

You say you never used Constructor and you obviously know absolutely nothing about it, not even the basic information available on the website, yet you sit there and postulate about what it is and what it does. Do a little reading, get your facts straight, then let us know what you think.

Arguing based solely on opinion with no facts or incorrect facts has no value. It just makes you sound like a troll.

Guys, I've been through this whole rigamarole with him before, and it takes about 2-3 of his responses for one to realize what you've mentioned here about his not having a friggin' clue what he's talking about. And the fact that he's arguing solely based on opinion - a seriously mal-informed one at that (cheers to you Tom for pointing it out on the first hit). If I had a dollar for the number of times I told him to read up, do some research and generally get a well-informed opinion on which to base his arguments, I would go out and buy myself a savoury filet mignon with some delicate brioche and wash it all down with some fine Pinot ( and believe me, that analogy is as expensive as it sounds).

Like I've said many times before, concerning arguing with people like him; it's a spanktastic and glorious waste of whatever precious little time you have to browse the forum.

I mean, just take a look at a sample:

In his latest rant he proposes that Graphisoft buyout Vico Software - an offshoot company formed by former Graphisoft Executives to handle Constructor's development and marketingseparately from ArchiCAD - so as to base the next version of ArchiCAD on Constructor - which was developed on ArchiCAD's BIM code but currently runs a version BEHIND ArchiCAD albeit with more intergrated MEP tools and functions. So basically buy back a company you formed, because you didn't have the resources to handle all the products, so that you can base your flagship product on an older version of a product that you developed before.

And that's what you're dealing with people.

Nothing to see here, just move along......

[Anonymous]

Steve wrote:

I was told by someone who is supposed to know, that Constructor can not .

I like this one

[Anonymous]

Steve wrote:
ArchiCAD’s BIM is almost useless, even to a very large percentage of ArchiCAD users. Would anyone disagree with that?

and this one too. Someone disagrees, yes.

[Dwight]

Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Just one more time my 2 cents.
Archicad calculating (5d) and scheduling menus (4d):
Why architect would need connection with estimating software? Are you Contractor? Do you need to know how much cost man-hour, SS, plywood for forms, etc? Do you even have any idea how contractor is going to slit concrete for pours, steel for sequences?
Why architect would need connection with scheduling software? Do you have any idea when each activity will happen? On my current hospital I have over 6000. Architect don't have a clue what is happening when.
What architect need is simple geometry take off, volume calculation, and area calculation. Would be beneficial to add functions, but most of them will bring that data to spreadsheet anyway (easier to work with).
If you by any chance actually need that information - most likely you are architect/builder. Consider then at least one copy of Constructor. Works well with Archicad files. The other way around too (you might get warnings that you MEP systems are missing).
I still think Constructor could be more like add-on on top of Archicad, but there is a - probably good - reason behind it. Lets face it - GS started Constructor, I'm sure the did not wanted to make more work for them self.