Archicad 10 is announced

[Greg Kmethy]

Dear Talkers,

You can read Graphisoft's announcement on Archicad 10 here:
http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/

[Aussie John]

oreopoulos wrote:
Ben, i have read those pages. I dont see any new calculating tool. Or an enchanment of the current. Perhaps i miss smthg.

Seems to be a number of enhancements - How they are in practice will have to wait and see. Certainly the implementation seems to be much better with WISYWIG and live updating. Hopefully there are some updates to the functionality too.

[Anonymous]

I'm really excited about the new release. I work for a Log Home manufacturer. One thing we've had a real problem with is our framed walls with half log siding. Really no good way to do them. I'm really hopeful that the new profiled wall thing is going to work for us. That right there could make our lives a lot better.

[James Murray]

oreopoulos wrote:
Or an enchanment of the current. Perhaps i miss smthg.

IS is substantially improved in 10.

• Schedules are placed directly in layouts.

• The schedules editor is WYSIWYG more or less.

• The schedules window can be kept open while working in other windows.

• Schedules update like any other view.

• The schedule tech can be used for automatic layout lists.

Dan is correct that conventional calculation is unchanged, and has been since 6.5.

[Bricklyne Clarence]

This is just an open question(s) to anybody who might have used ArchiCAD 10 ( I'm not certain if this is posisble for anyone that wasn't a Beta-tester or developer, but in case even they read these questions, feel free to answer them).

My biggest concern coming out of ArchiCAD 9 was the Profiler function, which up to that version had really been a bolted on plugin as opposed to an integrated function of the program. The preview videos obviously seem to indicate that they have moved passed that type of solution and integrated a profile function ( and manager) to the Wall, Column and Beam tools ( as far as I could tell from the videos and pdfs). This is indubitibly great and considerably expands our modelling capacity with ArchiCAD.

1)My question regarding this, which wasn't clear frm the videos, is, how does this new profile function handle curves in plan? For example if I have a wall which curves in plan and change it's properties with the selection tool to a saved profile, willl the curved section give me a smooth parametric curve, or will I get a series of knotted straight walls which nothing like a curved wall up close? Same would apply for the custom profiles with beams , and the reason I ask this is because it will affect how one does cornices, mouldings and even special walls with curved buildings.
How does ArchiCAD 10 handle this? I was always of the impression that this kind of thing cannot be achieved with ArchiCAD's graphics engine (outside of plugins like ArchiForma and Maxonform, which are useless when it comes to parametrics and windows and openings) without the integration of some kind of a NURBS engine. I don't get the impression that this profile tool does anything that allows this.

2) The other question was does this profile function also work with the roof tool, or do we have to rotate profiled walls outside ArchiCAD to get sloped profiles like with special stairway handrails, mouldings, cornice treatments etc? (rotated outside ArchiCAD meaning via Maxonform or something, which leads to......)


3)I don't suppose that ArchiCAD 10 will be able to work with current ArchiCAD 9 plugins ( like ArchiForma, or Maxonform), in the event that the answer to the above 2 questions is no, or negative? The answer to this, obviously affects whether or not I choose to upgrade or just wait out another 18-month round for Graphisoft to try and figure out how to imptove the modelling funcitons of ArchiCAD. Because, as it stands, right now, without the above mentioned improvements and lacking the currently available (for ArchiCAD 9) plugins, then to me ArchiCAD 10 would be considerably less useful to me for day-to-day modelling than ArchiCAD 10 would be, the improvements to documentation tools notwithstanding. At least tell me that they improved the .3ds import kernel so that it doesn't crash the program every single time you try to import an object with what ArchiCAD considers to be too many polygons. give me that at least....

[TomWaltz]

Since GS seems to have allowed us to speak:

Bricklyne wrote:
My biggest concern coming out of ArchiCAD 9 was the Profiler function, which up to that version had really been a bolted on plugin as opposed to an integrated function of the program. The preview videos obviously seem to indicate that they have moved passed that type of solution and integrated a profile function ( and manager) to the Wall, Column and Beam tools ( as far as I could tell from the videos and pdfs). This is indubitibly great and considerably expands our modelling capacity with ArchiCAD.

1)My question regarding this, which wasn't clear frm the videos, is, how does this new profile function handle curves in plan? .

The new Profile tools cannot curve. No curved profiled walls, no curved profiled beams.

How does ArchiCAD 10 handle this? I was always of the impression that this kind of thing cannot be achieved with ArchiCAD's graphics engine (outside of plugins like ArchiForma and Maxonform, which are useless when it comes to parametrics and windows and openings) without the integration of some kind of a NURBS engine. I don't get the impression that this profile tool does anything that allows this..

You would still need ArchiForma or MaxonForm, but you will need updated Archicad 10 versions (see below).

2) The other question was does this profile function also work with the roof tool, or do we have to rotate profiled walls outside ArchiCAD to get sloped profiles like with special stairway handrails, mouldings, cornice treatments etc? (rotated outside ArchiCAD meaning via Maxonform or something, which leads to......)

The Profiles only work with walls, beams, and columns, not slabs or roofs. The walls can slant in profile, but cannot slant end-to-end. The beams can, though, and they can be sloped and/or rotated.

3)I don't suppose that ArchiCAD 10 will be able to work with current ArchiCAD 9 plugins ( like ArchiForma, or Maxonform), in the event that the answer to the above 2 questions is no, or negative?

All add-ons/plug-ins (true add-ons, not objects) have to be compiled for the new version. Each vendor will have their own policies about whether they charge for the new versions or not.

[Stephen Dolbee]

TomWaltz wrote:
The Profiles only work with walls, beams, and columns, not slabs or roofs.

This is a major disappointment. Profiles for slabs and esp. roofs would be much more useful for me.

[Bruce]

I must say I'm feeling a bit deflated now too. It will still be good...great even. But how much further does it have to go?

[Anonymous]

In my opinion there must have some limitation with freedom of geometry.
It must be measurble, if wth AC drawn.
It must can be calculated, if with AC drawn.

Frank Gery architecture with AC is still impossible.
He must do still with his modell.

[Bruce]

Yes but...

Every building designed needs to be represented in architectural form. It needs to be measurable, no matter what its shape - otherwise it couldn't be built.

Frank Gehry is able to produce architectural drawings and quantities for his designs using other software - so we know it's possible.

[__archiben]

samsung wrote:
Frank Gery architecture with AC is still impossible.
He must do still with his modell.

frank gehry uses a version of 'catia' his technology arm have developed for his particular uses.

~/archiben