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2010-05-10 05:56 PM
2010-05-29 11:40 PM
Don wrote:I believe that anyone graduating from Architecture school today, certainly in North America, has to consider Revit proficiency a must, if they hope to get anything of a foothold int he job market with the economy in dire straits as it is right now. Just as AutoCAD proficiency was almost a pre-requisite for getting into this profession 10-20 years ago.My son is in architecture school right now and while Revit is very popular I don't see it as a must.
Don wrote:Look, I'm not saying that GS shouldn't be looking to the future or to their own future and place in the market. My problem with that article and with articles like that as well as with what seems to now be the accepted GS philosophy and vision, is, how can all or most of your focus and efforts be directed to the future, when your present is littered with such problems and deficiencies that you either will not address or choose not to address. It's great to have ArchiCAD capable of collaborating and communicating with other software, but what's the point of that when I have nothing worthwhile, to communicate because I'm so limited by the current set of tools?
Not to mention the apparent if not complete apathy and disinterest that they seem to have towards the users.I really don't disagree since you qualify a bit what you say, but I maybe don't infer from GS's actions that they don't care about the users or that they have some malevolent intent. My take on the article is that GS is looking to the long term and trying to be relevant in a Revit world.
2010-05-29 11:49 PM
CAD Watch - Allplan by Nemetschek - Europe's Popular BIM Solution
We were recently contacted by an architectural designer, looking for work who had just moved to the US, from Spain. He told us that the demand for Revit skills here was a surpise. According to him, Allplan is widely used for 3D architectural design in Europe and Revit is virtually unknown.
2010-05-30 08:49 AM
That's because you're not currently trying to find a job or get into the profession at the bottom level. .................
do a quick scan of any job board on AIA, Archinect or even Craigslist and see the percentage between jobs calling for Revit proficiency versus other jobs, and you'll understand why.
2010-05-30 10:51 AM
Don wrote:That's because you're not currently trying to find a job or get into the profession at the bottom level. .................
do a quick scan of any job board on AIA, Archinect or even Craigslist and see the percentage between jobs calling for Revit proficiency versus other jobs, and you'll understand why.
If I recall correctly what I read somewhere, 1 in 10 architects in the U.S.A. is a graduate of Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Of the students that I and my son know there only a small percentage knows Revit very well. Most of the students use Rhino, Sketchup and many other programs (a few even use ArchiCad!) but they seem to pick up all the programs very quickly.Noneof the cad programs are taught in a formal class.
When my son was recently on a tour of the San Francisco office of SOM the question was asked of one of the partners, what cadd program should they learn?. He answered, "We hire you for how you think, not what cad program you know".
I went to the AIA Online Job Boards-e-Architect and checked the first 60 job ads. Very few said Revit was a must. In fact most did not mention cad at all.
Of the 60 I read the job requirements for, 9 mentioned Revit, 23 mentioned AutoCad and 3 mentioned ArchiCad.That means 58% did not mention cad at all.Now I didn't sort them out for entry level positions only-I'll leave that to someone else.
So, by my limited sample, Autocad is still the program to know. I stand by what I said, IMHO, Revit isnota must.
2010-05-30 03:51 PM
I can only hope that your son, for his sake doesn't have the same sense of complacency that you seem to..............Bricklyne:
It's rough out there. But if you believe otherwise, then more power to you and your son.
2010-05-30 06:45 PM
Don wrote:
Visual GDL!
Anyone?
2010-05-30 08:10 PM
2010-05-31 01:52 AM
Don wrote:So out of all I typed in that response, all you got out of it, was what you perceived to be personal attack against you and your son?I can only hope that your son, for his sake doesn't have the same sense of complacency that you seem to..............Bricklyne:
It's rough out there. But if you believe otherwise, then more power to you and your son.
This is were I disagree with many of our postings here in this forum. You draw your own conclusions about a situation (which is of course fine), but then you somehow in your infinite wisdom assign motives and intentions to people who you really don't know.
Bricklyne, you don't know me or my son, so please keep your personal comments to yourself. I won't be posting any further on this thread.
respectfully,
Don Lee
2010-05-31 11:03 AM
Bricklyne wrote:Ok its official... Bricklyne you are a troll. A well versed one... but still a troll.
So out of all I typed in that response, all you got out of it, was what you perceived to be personal attack against you and your son?
Seriously?
2010-05-31 12:58 PM
whatever wrote:I pesonally think the big benefits of BIM do not come from modeling special shapes. I always saw most of the benefit in the construction documentation and collaboration with engineers phases, with benefit in the areas you mention too, of course.
I Don't really agree here Laszlo .. yes it is a minor portion of buildings, but actually that is where people are expecting the real huge benefits of BIM and BIM collaboration . the other thing is ... ok lets say we only need it 10% ( or even 2%) of the time ... so I agree it is not the most focused part of the development .. but dropping tools that we already had ? dropping Maxon form and the link with Sketchup ?