Empty Fill vs. Air Space vs. and Solid vs. Marker Fill?

[Anonymous]

Hi,
What is the DISTINCTION and the USEAGE of:

1. Empty Fill vs. Air Space Fill?

2. Solid Fill vs. Marker Fill?

Thanks,
Joseph

[Link]

These particular fills are probably being made by Window/Door Builder every time you use that add on.

One way to prevent these fills would be to stop using it!

There may also be a setting where you can change these fills within the add on, to fills that you would rather use. I don't know for sure, as I don't have it.

Cheers,
Link.

[Laszlo Nagy]

Old topic, I know, but where can I get to the fills and really delete them. I have deleted them from Attributes Manager, from fills dialogue, they still come back when I re-open the file. Its Frame Fill 1, Frame Fill 2, Trim Fill, Leaf Fill. I'm assuming they are from window builder or some such thing but I want to clean them out and assign standard fills them. Any help?

If they are recreated they might come from Master_GDLxxxxx.gdl files found in one of your Libraries. You would have to edit these out of those files, then you would have to modify the library parts in those libraries to reference fills other than those defined in these Master_GDLxxxxx.gdl files, and save them so new instances will use those defaults. This will probably not affect already placed instances of these library parts.

[Anonymous]

Karl wrote:
A number of us have had a wish in to GS to produce a document that lists all fills used by all library parts/modules/templates along with the index numbers used in those objects so that we have a crystal clear picture of what havoc we might create before deleting/renumbering any of them. I'm hopeful that we might see that document some time by the end of the year.

Karl

It's now Dec 2007, two years later.

Has GS provided this tool that Karl mentions back in 2005?
I'd like the ability to delete redundant Fills without creating havoc.

[Anonymous]

I don't think I'm the only one thinking that I don't want my fills to clean up automatically. In most cases I want to see the separation between objects in sections. eg. (footings...basement walls) It would be nice to have a fill that included a parameter that the user could define whether it should clean up to itself or not. I like the complex profile in AC11 but I have to separate like fills by a small fraction of an inch to get them to separate in sections. I don't know if this warrants a trip to the wish list or not but it's something I'd like to see.

Doug

[Karl Ottenstein]

4thorns wrote:
I like the complex profile in AC11 but I have to separate like fills by a small fraction of an inch to get them to separate in sections.

Avoid doing it that way if possible. The resulting object will have many more polygons, as you've created a true air gap, resulting in new surfaces. It really is better to create duplicate fills to obtain the linework in section, and yet keep your complex (profiled) elements' polygon count low

Cheers,
Karl

[Anonymous]

Forgive my ignorance Karl, I'm still new to complex profiles and I've never duplicated a fill before. are you saying that a duplicate fill, renamed, will not "clean up" to it's original counterpart, leaving the separation lines? If this is the case then it makes things a little easier.

[Link]

4thorns wrote:
Forgive my ignorance Karl, I'm still new to complex profiles and I've never duplicated a fill before. are you saying that a duplicate fill, renamed, will not "clean up" to it's original counterpart, leaving the separation lines? If this is the case then it makes things a little easier.

It's essentially the same as what we explained to you here!

Cheers,
Link.

[Anonymous]

Yes I remember that post Link. I just thought that Karl was telling me something to the contrary.

Karl wrote
It really is better to create duplicate fills to obtain the linework in section

If I'm missing something....Sorry

Doug

[Karl Ottenstein]

4thorns wrote:
I've never duplicated a fill before. are you saying that a duplicate fill, renamed, will not "clean up" to it's original counterpart, leaving the separation lines? If this is the case then it makes things a little easier.

Yes, Link gave a perfect screenshot in that other thread of how to get a wall plate to show up with linework in section, and yet not generate any additional polygons. Because 'empty fill' and 'air space' look the same, but have different names, you get lines showing where they touch.

ArchiCAD is not smart enough to realize that any fills have the same content, only that they have the same name (or index number).

So, if you want a line to show between a stem wall and a footing that are modeled in a profile, and you want the structural concrete fill to be used for both, you have to duplicate the fill.

The attached screenshot shows that when you click 'new' in the fill types dialog (Options > Element Attributes > ...), the default thing is to duplicate the currently selected fill. That's all that's involved. It is a very important thing to know, since often you'll want to duplicate a fill and change its spacing (scale) for other purposes...

The same thing (create identical duplicate) has to be done if, for example, you have a stucco fill on the exterior walls (via material) and actually want a line to appear between one color of stucco and another. The fill name must differ, otherwise in elevation, the fills will just clean up without a line. It's been this way as long as I've used ArchiCAD (version 6.5), no doubt much longer.

Cheers,
Karl

[Rod Jurich]

4thorns wrote:
/......If I'm missing something....Sorry

Doug, not missing anything. This is what I've done
when I want just an empty fill and not a vectorial hatch.
All Empty Fills renamed to reflect the element in question.