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Grouping

Anonymous
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I'm just wondering how many people use grouping for certain elements. Ex: We often import sections through windows directly from the manufacturer and I group them so I don't have a boatload of unmanageable lines everywhere. I actually use grouping all the time, for everything if necessary.

I recently downloaded an example file from the ArchiCAD example files site and the whole project was not grouped. It was a mess. Someone on my office also has that tendancy.... . I;m just wondering how many other people out there are evil non-groupers.... just curious...
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Anonymous
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Steven wrote:
Bier wrote:
Thanks gentlemen.
Great ideas.
I'll let all that bounce around in my steel can head like a ball bearing today.
When the noise stops, I'll start thinking about how to develop a loosely nit strategy for grouping considerations.
Bier
Grouping is SO IMPORTANT I don't know how people work without it....
It's great to group stuff in 3d as well and it helps a lot with 2d. If you group elements in 3d vertically then you'll be able to move entire group by moving just one group member on any storey.
Just in case somebody didn't know...
Anonymous
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I think grouping can be a mixed blessing.

Sometimes I work on a drawing which someone else started, and find whole sections of it grouped, stopping me from editing. When I turn grouping off this results in having no groups at all - so I then have to 'ungroup' in steps - which is a bit alarming, as it's pretty well irreversable.

I also find quite often that after I've religiously made a group, I later turn grouping off to fix something else. Then I make multiple copies of my group - only to find the copies aren't grouped.

I think it's better to make modules or libary parts.

Keith

Archicad Ver 12 on Mac OSX 10.4.8
Anonymous
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so I then have to 'ungroup' in steps - which is a bit alarming, as it's pretty well irreversable.


Why not to use " suspend group"??? Allows you to edit group members without ungrouping. I use it all the time and find very handy...
Erika Epstein
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Grouping ctrl/cmd+G, suspending them opt/alt+G, nesting groups, all of these will help you work more efficiently. Modules and library parts are also invaluable. They all have their uses. For example, keeping sets of regularly used furniture as modules is good practice. Once in a file keeping like items, as Laszlo mentioned, grouped for easy moving and parameter changes is also good practice.

It's helpful within an office to have regular discussions about when and how to use all these work methods (as well as other Archicad topics). Many offices do this as a weekly meeting or over lunch. The program is so large, that each user discovers different aspects of it. Ultimately you will all use more of the program and use it more efficiently and your bosses will be happier.
Erika
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Anonymous
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Grouping is one of my favorites. But if I working in 2D I prefer an another tool. UNIFY. Line type objects with same base or end points can be joined together to a big polyline (Except of splines. Spline can be connected just with spline, and also changes the form of endings of the joints at both of splines wich can be helpful or descructive). It is useful for selecting and for modification. But haves a flaw. The main goal of UNIFY is to create ONE line and because of that it can join just 2 lines at same spot. And also the lines wichones becomes the part of the output polyline (or spline) changes theys color to same color of the longest polyline or arch (or spline) from the partaking lines. For my stile of projecting it doesn't matters because I UNIFY-ing just lines with same color. At the end the lasting big polylines I using to group anyway.
Anonymous
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skardes wrote:
so I then have to 'ungroup' in steps - which is a bit alarming, as it's pretty well irreversable.


Why not to use " suspend group"??? Allows you to edit group members without ungrouping. I use it all the time and find very handy...
Sorry I wasn't clear, because I said 'turn off grouping'.

Suppose I'm working on a plan and I want to hand a bathroom layout. I discover that the originator of the plan has grouped the bathroom layout, so it's going to be easy to select the whole thing. However, when I select it - I discover it's a group within a group. The whole flat layout has been grouped! This means that, if I suspend grouping of the flat, I'll lose the grouping of the bathroom layout.

So I have to ungroup the flat first - and I hate ungrouping things that others have deemed fit to group!

Keith

Archicad Ver 12 on Mac OSX 10.4.8
Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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Jooogyerek wrote:
Grouping is one of my favorites. But if I working in 2D I prefer an another tool. UNIFY. Line type objects with same base or end points can be joined together to a big polyline (Except of splines. Spline can be connected just with spline, and also changes the form of endings of the joints at both of splines wich can be helpful or descructive). It is useful for selecting and for modification. But haves a flaw. The main goal of UNIFY is to create ONE line and because of that it can join just 2 lines at same spot. And also the lines wichones becomes the part of the output polyline (or spline) changes theys color to same color of the longest polyline or arch (or spline) from the partaking lines. For my stile of projecting it doesn't matters because I UNIFY-ing just lines with same color. At the end the lasting big polylines I using to group anyway.
If you want to include Splines in the Unify command, first SPACE-click on the Spline with the Circle Tool (Magic Wand), which will create Arc segments and approximate the Spline with these Arc segments. Then use those Arc segments in the Unify command.
By the way, the color and line type of the created Polyline will inherit the attributes of the last selected element. The Info Box tells you which one it is or at least what its attributes are.
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Laszlo Nagy
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Keith wrote:
skardes wrote:
so I then have to 'ungroup' in steps - which is a bit alarming, as it's pretty well irreversable.


Why not to use " suspend group"??? Allows you to edit group members without ungrouping. I use it all the time and find very handy...
Sorry I wasn't clear, because I said 'turn off grouping'.

Suppose I'm working on a plan and I want to hand a bathroom layout. I discover that the originator of the plan has grouped the bathroom layout, so it's going to be easy to select the whole thing. However, when I select it - I discover it's a group within a group. The whole flat layout has been grouped! This means that, if I suspend grouping of the flat, I'll lose the grouping of the bathroom layout.

So I have to ungroup the flat first - and I hate ungrouping things that others have deemed fit to group!

Keith

Archicad Ver 12 on Mac OSX 10.4.8
I have an idea: the Selection Palette, this little used guy.
1. Ungroup the flat layout
2. Select the Bath group
3. In the Selections Palette, save it as a selection under a name
4. Undo the Upgroup command

You will regain the grouping of the Flat with the Undo command, and at the same time you will have the Bath group stored as a Selection. Whenever you want to use it, Suspend groups and apply that stored Selection. this way only the member elements of the Bath group will be selected.
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Anonymous
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Laszlo -

Thanks for the interesting tip. You're right - I've never used the selections palette. Could be worth bearing in mind.

However, I still wonder about how grouping should be best used, to avoid this sort of problem occuring. Like Erika, we have occasional workshops on use of Archicad / office standards - an extremely useful exercise - so we can hammer this out at the next one.

Keith
Archicad ver 12 on Mac OSX 10.4.8
Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
Community Admin
Yes, I agree, we can and should always find better ways to do things.
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