!Restored: ¿News about AC 12?

[Anonymous]

Hi all!


¿Anybody knows anything about AC 12, please?


I'm hearing rumours, but nothing concrete...


Thanks a lot and regards.



P.S. Like another user says: "forgive my spanglish..."

[TomWaltz]

All in-fighting aside, I think the biggest concern right now is that we are now past the one-year release cycle Graphisoft promised and there has not been ANY public announcement at all, not even when it is expected out.

If they are going to promise a one-year update cycle, it's probably good to stick to it!

[Anonymous]

This is my first time writting in this forum. Reading all the post about the poor service that we have from graphisoft is about write. In the architecture went we specified a product for the building we try to get the best product with the best support. And went i don't have the support that we should have we change product.

in the past last year many compagny have remove there representants and find out that architect specified other similar product that have support and a person to refer too.

And now, graphisoft is not the only one anymore on the market to make that kind of software.

P.S sorry for my poor english from a french

Martin architect
Canada

[Sam Wheatley]

All in-fighting aside, I think the biggest concern right now is that we are now past the one-year release cycle Graphisoft promised and there has not been ANY public announcement at all, not even when it is expected out.

If they are going to promise a one-year update cycle, it's probably good to stick to it!
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Tom Waltz

Tom, I couldn't agree more. If this isn't bad PR, what is? I've sung graphisofts praises and I've had my complaints also.

I received an email from Graphisoft just today saying I can receive $500 off my next license but nothing about a release date that is over due. I should by now be using AC 12, but no I haven't any idea whats in it or when I will get it. Treat us like Mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed us ****, is a bad policy

[Sam Wheatley]

After sending my last post I noticed my rank as a new member. I have been using AC since 4.5 and although i am far from a new member I rarely post. Has me wondering, as seldom as Graphisoft must post do they also rank as a new member?

[Thomas Holm]

Sam wrote:
Has me wondering, as seldom as Graphisoft must post do they also rank as a new member?

[Anonymous]

Sam wrote:
After sending my last post I noticed my rank as a new member. I have been using AC since 4.5 and although i am far from a new member I rarely post. Has me wondering, as seldom as Graphisoft must post do they also rank as a new member?

Guests.

[Anonymous]

This is not exactly the place for this post, but my question does have something to do with how GS is responding to the current marketplace, trends, new and potential users.

My son is now in his third year studying architecture at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo in central California (despite my wishes that he have prosperous and stress free future as an orthodontist). Cal Poly SLO has a large and well respected school of architecture that is currently ranked fourth in the US.

One of every 5 architects in California and 1 of every 20 architects in the United States is a Cal Poly graduate. So the school is very influential if only because of the sheer number of its graduates. And guess what? ArchiCad is virtually unheard of at Cal Poly.

I believe one instructor has taken classes in AC, but it is not taught in any classes and only a handful of the students use it even though a free student version is available. Most have not even heard of it.

For design, students are free to use whatever they choose. Many use Sketch Up (my son has grown to dislike it's limitations), but the hot software of choice is now Rhino. Form Z was popular, but its unusual interface and steep learning curve has made Rhino the preferred modeler.
More and more students are using Revit as they learned it working in their summer jobs.

If AC had better and especially more intuitive modeling tools, I think it would be a big hit in the schools. Look how popular the Mac Books have become here in the US. My son has done well with AC even though it's though it can't do what Rhino can as a modeler. Then again he is not yet doing "biomorphic" buildings

My question is, why isn't GS doing more to promote AC in the schools?
Maybe they are elsewhere, but if every Cal Poly grad knew (and presumably loved) ArchiCad, well that would be 1 of every 20 architects in the US. What a user base! More users, more money for R&D, less complaints, lower license costs...........

Don Lee

[Erich]

Here in Oregon my understanding from our rep is that Archicad is used at the University of Oregon, another top architecture school. However, I am not sure to what extent as I do not have a strong contact with the school anymore. Perhaps a student there could enlighten us...

[Dennis Lee]

Don wrote:
If AC had better and especially more intuitive modeling tools, I think it would be a big hit in the schools.

I really believe that if AC had a basic 3d tool that has the standard 3d modeling tools of any modern day modeling program, AC will be extremely popular in schools, and eventually in the main stream architectural profession.

Students are encouraged to explore wild forms and spaces as they are free from the constraints of the real world so it really makes sense for them to use programs like sketchup, rhino, maya, form-z etc., even if that means using three or four different applications to model, render, compose, etc for their presentations.

The only thing really that blocks AC from being a world wide favorite architectural program is this lack of modern day 3d forms. I really wonder - is it really that hard to include such geometry into AC? This would be a much more popular tool for students even if they charged them a few hundred bucks for it than to offer the current AC for free. The current AC just does not give the intuitive freedom of modeling that the students and architects need.

Beleive me, if the tool is capable of producing the work that the current students need to produce at schools, they will find the program, even pay for it - and the word will get around - extremely fast.

So...why not???

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Don wrote:
This is not exactly the place for this post, but my question does have something to do with how GS is responding to the current marketplace, trends, new and potential users..........
..........
My question is, why isn't GS doing more to promote AC in the schools?
Maybe they are elsewhere, but if every Cal Poly grad knew (and presumably loved) ArchiCad, well that would be 1 of every 20 architects in the US. What a user base! More users, more money for R&D, less complaints, lower license costs...........

Don Lee

Hi Don,

I couldn't help noticing you trying to make the case or convince GS that more needs to be done with regards to their response to the marketplace, to new users and to promoting the software among students in particular and the North American professional marketplace in general. I must commend you heartily for your spirited effort; you certainly make a strong argument and probably convincing case with the example of your son's school.

However if this is the tack you're going to take (trying to use wily logical arguments and all that common sense shmonom sense nonsense to make straightforward points) then there's something you desperately need to get acquainted with; haste posthaste!

Allow me to introduce you, or more specifically your forehead, to this here little thingie called a Brick wall. Now what you need to do, is to proceed and start smashing your cranium as hard as you can against it. It's easy, just lean back as far as you can, and then throw your whole upper torso with reckless abandon against that solid masonry concoction ( solid - especially if its been put together using ArchiCAD ) until you hear the crunching sound of your skull as it comes to terms and agrees to disagree with the proposed solidity and alleged immobility of that stubborn structure in front of you. In real time.

Wash, rinse, repeat. And over and over and over and over. Amen.

Oh, don't worry about blacking out or causing yourself serious bodily harm.There'll probably be lots of blood but trust me when I tell you, that wall will come down, like....um...like...er.... like a ton of bricks, yeah that's it, a ton of bricks, long before you ever have any whiff of success with this other logical argument, common sense shenanigans which you're trying to pull what with the whole "GS should be doing more to promote AC and respond better to the marketplace" spiel that you're trying to sell here. What do you think this is Revit?

And so in conclusion, the next time you get the urge to try to convince the suits here that they're falling behind, and worse yet, if in pursuing said urge you get the misguided notion to lead you to think that you can get away with it and get it done using logical arguments, then find the nearest brick wall ( brought to you by by ArchiCAD , of course) and start banging that head. Hard. Repeatedly. Hard.

Trust me, you'll lose that urge long before you know it and be happily building that wall back up again in no time.


(Obviously, I'm being facetious and just kidding, Mr. strictGraphisoft-moderator-man so please don't send this post to the netherworld.)