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[Anonymous]

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

[TomWaltz]

Chazz wrote:
(Gosh, this post sounds neither nattering nor particularly negative. I'm gonna stop here)

Yeah, are you feeling OK?

[Anonymous]

Dwight wrote:

Big wrote:
And who knows what the future will look like in 3 years.

So be sure to archive everything in DXF.

I use a quill plotter to archive to parchment.

[Chazz]

TomWaltz wrote:
Yeah, are you feeling OK?

Actually I lost my job last month, so yeah, I'm a little off my game. The financial company I did real estate development for just collapsed in a spectacular flameout bankruptcy last month (when was the last time you couldn't ask your previous boss for a reference/letter of recommendation because he was in jail in lieu of $5M bail?)

I bring this up because I interviewed yesterday with a firm that uses ADT exclusively. I know lot's of places that own ADT but very few that actually use it or use it as a BIM tool. I asked about Revit and they were dead set against it and felt that ADT was the future. They do massive multifamily projects (300+ unit developments) in this semi 2D-3D style that to me seemed a little caotic but they had a system that worked and were not interested in changing it. I tried to politely suggest that some people felt that ADT was going to be phased out in favor of Revit but they were pretty sure this was not the case. It was a real eye opener and I left sort of impressed with their stick-to-it-ivness. So now my motto is ADT FOREVER!!

Only problem is I've never used it.......

[TomWaltz]

Chazz wrote:

TomWaltz wrote:
Yeah, are you feeling OK?

Actually I lost my job last month, so yeah, I'm a little off my game. The financial company I did real estate development for just collapsed in a spectacular flameout bankruptcy last month (when was the last time you couldn't ask your previous boss for a reference/letter of recommendation because he was in jail in lieu of $5M bail?)

I bring this up because I interviewed yesterday with a firm that uses ADT exclusively. I know lot's of places that own ADT but very few that actually use it or use it as a BIM tool. I asked about Revit and they were dead set against it and felt that ADT was the future. They do massive multifamily projects (300+ unit developments) in this semi 2D-3D style that to me seemed a little caotic but they had a system that worked and were not interested in changing it. I tried to politely suggest that some people felt that ADT was going to be phased out in favor of Revit but they were pretty sure this was not the case. It was a real eye opener and I left sort of impressed with their stick-to-it-ivness. So now my motto is ADT FOREVER!!

Only problem is I've never used it.......

Yikes, I'm sorry to hear that.

I'm told if you can actually figure out ADT it's not so bad, but the few people who do figure it out get a Congressional Medal of Honor....

[Anonymous]

What I heard is that most ADT users, use is as an enhanced ACAD. no real 3D.

[Petros Ioannou]

TomWaltz wrote:
I'm told if you can actually figure out ADT it's not so bad, but the few people who do figure it out get a Congressional Medal of Honor....

Where is mine??
I was in a similar situation where I had to work for a practice that used ADT. I was lucky I was teaching archiCAD at that time so I didn't miss my touch. Sad thing was that the choose ADT over AC because ArchiCAD at that time was missing all those "display - floor plan level" enhancements that are introduced in 10.
Anyway ADT has a very flexible wall system, an exceptional Curtain wall tool and various modeling abilities. But when you will get to the part of organizing your project, your layouts etc you will want to kill yourself or at least the guy who though all that complex system!!

Petros

[TomWaltz]

Miki wrote:
What I heard is that most ADT users, use is as an enhanced ACAD. no real 3D.

We hired a guy a while back who was a total whiz with AutoCAD and ADT. He told me that ADT was really, really powerful but also really, really hard to learn, so most people used only its most basic functions.

[Scott Davis]

samsung wrote:
Revit reminds me of AC 6.5.

Funny, because reading the new feature list of AC 10 reminds me of Revit 1.0

integrated plotting
interactive schedules
parametric drawing titles
smart drawing management
intelligent guidelines
in place numeric input

[Scott Davis]

Miki wrote:
What I heard is that most ADT users, use is as an enhanced ACAD. no real 3D.

and Autodesk recognizes this, too. ADT is now being marketed as "AutoCAD for Architects" or sometimes referred to as A4A. This marketing strategy takes ADT further from the "BIM" market, and back towards the "enhanced 2D" route. The tools will still allow 3D, and even base AutoCAD is more 3D now in r2007, but the idea will be that the tools "enhance 2D productivity". Revit will be marketed as Autodesk's ONLY BIM solution.

[Anonymous]

Scott,
If you satify with Revit, than it is ok.
Somebody must buy this product.
If AC can integrate something from Revit, than it is also ok (Revit user needs also something.)

Revit is not very known in Europe.
AC is simply better.