roof bug AC11? 1200 and previous

[Eduardo Rolon]

I don't know if this was posted before, happens in Mac intels and PPC and it is not fixed in todays update.

Create a roof specify the angle and thickness…

[Eduardo Rolon]

Agreed that composites might work but the problem is that at this point of the project I don't know the material I am going to use for the roof, nor the final angle the only item I was assuming was the width.

Anyway if composites can do it, why the other option can't? Also from a training point of view it should be consistent, exceptions are unnecessary headaches. Which is my excuse for the post, I forgot that as long as I use composites there is no problem.

[Anonymous]

Thats not the problem for me. The thickness of the roof (i.e. the material thickness) will stay the same regardless of the angle whether you use a composite or a plain fill. (Unless you are telling me otherwise!) That what it is designed to do and is what most people want to happen.

A roof is made of actual components : rafters, battens, tiles etc of a set size. They wont generally change if the pitch is changed in real life so the tool correctly mimics this currently.

The problem for me is if you are using the roof tool for a different purpose than designed. You might prefer the roofs vertical thickness to stay the same regardless of the angle. At the moment you have to keep changing the vertical thickness after you have adjusted the pitch to keep it correct. I know it's not a massive problem for most people but I think the option should be there.

[TomWaltz]

Peter wrote:
The problem for me is if you are using the roof tool for a different purpose than designed. You might prefer the roofs vertical thickness to stay the same regardless of the angle. At the moment you have to keep changing the vertical thickness after you have adjusted the pitch to keep it correct. I know it's not a massive problem for most people but I think the option should be there.

If you're using the roof to make fascias, you are pretty much causing your own problem. It's made for roofs, not for making a big blank fascia a weird thickness of roof.

[Eduardo Rolon]

TomWaltz wrote:

Peter wrote:
The problem for me is if you are using the roof tool for a different purpose than designed. You might prefer the roofs vertical thickness to stay the same regardless of the angle. At the moment you have to keep changing the vertical thickness after you have adjusted the pitch to keep it correct. I know it's not a massive problem for most people but I think the option should be there.

If you're using the roof to make fascias, you are pretty much causing your own problem. It's made for roofs, not for making a big blank fascia a weird thickness of roof.

So using a slab as a "flat" roof or as a counter is a no-no since the Slab Tool is for Slabs?

[Anonymous]

TomWaltz wrote:
If you're using the roof to make fascias, you are pretty much causing your own problem. It's made for roofs, not for making a big blank fascia a weird thickness of roof.

Yes I know I tend to be the main cause of my problems! It's the story of my life

OK, A question - Why have the option in the settings dialog box to adjust the vertical dimension in the first place, if we are not allowed to use it and doesn't remain set if you change the pitch? Either remove it completely or allow it to have a permanent effect.

At least two people can see the possible use for this. We aren't that crazy are we? Don't answer that!

Anyway, who said anything about modelling fascias?

[Laura Yanoviak]

Peter wrote:
OK, A question - Why have the option in the settings dialog box to adjust the vertical dimension in the first place, if we are not allowed to use it and doesn't remain set if you change the pitch?

So that you can -- as it appears you want to do...

[TomWaltz]

Peter wrote:
At least two people can see the possible use for this. We aren't that crazy are we? Don't answer that!

Too late!

[Anonymous]

Laura wrote:
So that you can -- as it appears you want to do...

I don't want to do it manually though, I want the computer to do it for me!

TomWaltz wrote:
Too late!

Thanks Tom!

[Djordje]

Hm ...

You should not just because you can.

[Thomas Holm]

Peter wrote:
The logical solution would be to have way of 'locking' either of the thicknesses, when using a non-composite, so as to indicate which was the important one for the roof.

I often use roofs, and roofs upon roofs, to model real roof structures. I still can't see the use for this (locking "vertical thickness")- when I dimension the structures, I always give the parts' thicknesses (perpendicular to their length), not some arbitrary inclined measurement depending on the roof slope. So I find Archicad's behavior in this case quite to the point.

What I would find useful though is to optionally set a roof's pivot line (it's z coordinate position) fixed at its top side (like slabs) instead of at it's bottom side.