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Dave Brach
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I just realized my BIMx pro on iPad pro is legacy and downloaded the new viewer app. I have about 30 projects on the old app, which I use as a portfolio with prospective clients. Do I need to download each project one-by-one onto the new app?? also when I go to the transfer site to grab a new project from my firm, it wants to open it in the old app--how do I change that default? do I need to delete the old app? (I'd like to keep both for now)
Dave Brach/architect
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schagemann
Contributor
I do not think that you can transfer them easily on the iPad between apps - unless you have them saved in the Files app?

Two ways I could think of though (without having tested them though):

A. connect your iPad to your MBPro, open iTunes and in it select the iPad via the icon next to Music menu > File Sharing > BIMx (old), then drag the projects from the list to the new app;

B. Have you tried air dropping the BIMx form your MBPro to your iPad - it should then ask you where you want to save / open the BIMx files in.

Hope that helps.
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Stress Co_
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Dave wrote:
I just realized my BIMx pro on iPad pro is legacy and downloaded the new viewer app. I have about 30 projects on the old app, which I use as a portfolio with prospective clients. Do I need to download each project one-by-one onto the new app?? also when I go to the transfer site to grab a new project from my firm, it wants to open it in the old app--how do I change that default? do I need to delete the old app? (I'd like to keep both for now)
Read Minh's 2nd response here:
https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=69318

Yeah, I'm not doing that. It's easier for me, to airdrop.
It does, as Schagemann says, promt you to choose which app you want to open the file in.
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Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Dave,

Thank you for your question!

We made an article about how you can transfer BIMx model between BIMx Mobile Applications on iOS, to prepare for the transition from the Legacy app to the new BIMx app. The guide can be found here: https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/84636/

I hope that it helps!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Stress Co_
Expert
Hi Minh:
Is there any chance the new BimX will incorporate the
favorite feature of Legacy BimX?

It's the only reason I keep using the old version.
Marc Corney, Architect
Red Canoe Architecture, P. A.

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Processor: 3.6 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9
Memory: 48 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
Graphics: Radeon Pro 580X 8GB
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Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Marc,

Thank you for the question!

The ability to save Favorite Views was moved to BIMx PRO subscription. Although it is now a paid feature, BIMx PRO also gives you the ability to use Airprint and Google Cloud Print, as well as open unlimited 3D model size. I would highly recommend checking it out!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

Stress Co_
Expert
Hi Minh:
Thanks for your reply.
Yes to that (I'm using BimX PRO).
I was referring to the "STAR" as a quicker/easier why to add
layouts to Favorite Views. You don't have to rename each view.
Marc Corney, Architect
Red Canoe Architecture, P. A.

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Memory: 48 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
Graphics: Radeon Pro 580X 8GB
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Minh Nguyen
Graphisoft Moderator
Graphisoft Moderator
Hi Marc,

We introduce a redesigned Favorites gallery with the new BIMx app. After discussing with our BIMx expert, I found out that the removal of the "star" is a design decision, although in this case I can see that it's a feature loss. Therefore we entered it as a wish. Hopefully, the feature will be reimplemented soon!

Thank you once again for your feedback!
Have a great day!

Best regards,
Minh

Minh Nguyen
Technical Support Engineer
GRAPHISOFT

The new BIMx is a poor successor to the Legacy version:

1. The rendered views with G.I. look pale and flat with lack of depth. Almost unsuable.
2. They took out the feature to use stereovision glasses (Red/Blue). Cardboard is "not" a viable substitute. I previously passed out R/B glasses to my clients to view on their own, or have multiple people at a meeting sit around a large screen TV with glasses on (for "important" presentations). Only ONE devices is needed vs. everyone needing their own device for cardboard. Also, with the glasses, an experienced BIMx navigator can run the show, instead of newbie clients failing in their tour on their own. Plus... no one gets sick with the glasses.
3. They deleted the option for orthographic/parallel views and only allow for perspective, which makes it very, very difficult to have a model that spins around the center.

Not since Evernote bought Penultimate has an app gone from hero to zero in one upgrade. I pray they never take away the Legacy version on the App Store because that is my bread and butter.
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Legacy BIMx Views vs. New BIMx Views (both using G.I.)

The difference is dramatically noticeable from Legacy to New. Rationalized explantations will do us no good. We need the quality back, (as well as stereogram 3D and parallel views).

Make BIMx Great Again.
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Roland Szabo
Graphisoft
Graphisoft
Hi Rex,

We appreciate your honest opinion.

Enhancing the visual quality of the new 3D Engine is one of the important topics for the Product Team. We are doing our best to develop significant improvements as soon as possible.

Please note that the next-generation mobile app doesn't use the precalculated Global Illumination at all. It applies a real-time lighting calculation algorithm instead, called Ambient Occlusion. This way, publishing and updating Hyper-models from Archicad can be multiple times faster without GI.

We are aware that the Parallel projection and Stereo 3D features would be great in the renewed app. I administrated your requests in our system accordingly. Hopefully, these functions will be implemented soon.

Thank you for the clear explanations and the comparison images. Feel free to contact us at bimx@graphisoft.com if you have any further questions.

Kind regards,
Roland Szabo
BIMx Technical Product Manager
GRAPHISOFT

Thank you for your response Roland.

I understand why the renderings look as they do... prebaked textures vs. real-time textures. However, it is so bad, that it makes it almost unusable and actually detracts from the design when presenting to your clients. In fact, one side is lit, and the other side in shade; and you cannot change it. At least I haven't been able to. As it is now, you can't even see depth in many cases as the planes blend together. It looked great in Legacy.

Whatever the rationale for the new engine, it should at least look good.

My main request is obviously to fix the render quality... I mean, look at Twinmotion's real-time rendering. It looks almost real. Graphisoft is already tightly aligned with Epic, so why not implement Unreal as the rendering engine for BIMx and that would fix everything.

I am counting on BIMx Legacy to be available and supported up until the issues above is resolved. And please, change the icon to not be "intentionally" ugly; because we know it was meant to look bad when compared to the pretty new BIMx app icon. Also, please remove the disclaimer as well. It makes it look bad to all of our clients who use it.

As for the 3D option, yes, please re-implement the stereo 3D feature. Google "cardboard" is not a solution for the reason mentioned in my previous post.

Again, thank you for your response. And please, please, please implement these features again before charging us $50 for the new BIMx, which should be free by the way. We pay enough for ArchiCAD subscription service with little to show for it. BIMx should be part of the package.

Apologies if this sounds like I'm ranting, but I feel I need to fight for the smaller firms, who've been left behind by Graphisoft lately.
Rex Maximilian, Honolulu, USA - www.rexmaximilian.com
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16" MacBook Pro; M1 Max (2021), 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 32-Core GPU
Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

Lingwisyer
Rockstar
Rex wrote:
look at Twinmotion's real-time rendering. It looks almost real. Graphisoft is already tightly aligned with Epic, so why not implement Unreal as the rendering engine for BIMx

Twinmotion maybe built on the Unreal Engine but that does not mean you could simply rebuild BIMx on the UE platform and get the equivalent rendering output. UE5 might change that though.

I also see the Epic Graphisoft partnership as a marketing ploy so the shortcut of just incorporating Twinmotion's rendering features into BIMx would be a no go as that would kill future sales...



Ling.
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Hi Ling, yes, I understand implementing a completely new rendering engine would be quite a task... however, it was more an "example" of how one "real-time" engine renders beautifully, while another (BIMx) looks very, very bad, (again, see my earlier comparison posts).

Twinmotion 2021.1 was just released. They implemented a new feature called "Presenter Cloud" which enables the architect or designer to share the presentation via a weblink and in-browser navigation; without having to manually download the model. It basically works like BIMx navigation, but has a near photorealistic look. Unfortunately right now it is computer only (no phone or tablet). But I hear they're working on that.

I think for me, this is the end of the road for BIMx. Unless Graphisoft corrects the ill-chosen changes they made last year, I'll forgo continuing with the subscription or even using it.
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Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

Emre Senoglu
Advocate
Hey Rex, small correction, TM Presenter actually works on a tablet through a web browser - I've recently tested it on my iPad Pro. It's quite a powerful tool now, to be able to show realtime visualizations on a tablet. Also you are entirely correct on your remarks.

At this point the only weapon BIMx has left in its arsenal is the ability to have drawings and 3d in one file. But at this point, it looks like it not strong enough a reason to keep anyone using the outdated BIMx app.
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Hi Erne,

I did test run it on my tablet through the browser and wasn't able to navigate without a mouse or keyboard. When I hooked up the iPad keyboard, I was then able to do the AWSDQE navs, but still no mouse to pan or pivot the view. If you've found a way to do this, I'd love to know! Would be stoked to use the iPad for presentations.
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ArchiCAD 25 (user since 3.4, 1991)
16" MacBook Pro; M1 Max (2021), 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 32-Core GPU
Creator of the Maximilian ArchiCAD Template System

Emre Senoglu
Advocate
heya rex - so my mouse works, but with limited functionality. I am using a logi anwhere mx2. I can hold down right click and rotate the camera (exactly like in the full app), but can't pan using the left click / middle button. I'm guessing that middle click is not possible due to apple's implementation, but if TM would allow the user to use left click for panning, things would be smoother. You should perhaps write to them on the TM forum (there's a dedicated presenter cloud section now) or perhaps via Bug report. I will do the same one I test it out a bit more.

Oh and I've found that turning on fullscreen made things worse and even the right click didnt work. So there's still some small bugs I guess.

Also, have you tried it with a controller? I think mouse/keyboard setup is a bit clunky for client presentations on the ipad, so I hope controller support is there. I will give that a try tomorrow once I'm at the office.
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Lingwisyer
Rockstar
Is Presenter Cloud a provision for someone to explore a shared model that is rendered on the cloud?

Though less of an advantage now given the availability of decent internet connections while on the go as well as cloud computing, BIMx, at least the old one from my limited knowledge of it, could be run offline on basically any device that could read it. Not sure about the "new" one as it doesn't(?) use prebaked lighting anymore...



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Emre Senoglu
Advocate
Hey ling, I can send you a presentation link via pm so you can see the quality - but yes, basically it is a 'interactive presentation' that you could yourself show to your client, or send a link to them so they can view it on their own device. You can also create a gallery of images that they can browse through, similar to the bimx presenter.

The advantage of this is you can show highly realistic visualizations on a portable device that might not be capable of running high end graphics realtime. The current quality of the presenter is okay - it doesn't match what you would get locally on a pc, but i can imagine that this is only because the feature is in beta right now.
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Lingwisyer
Rockstar
Looks pretty good. Maybe the quality is to limit server overheads which could be increased post beta. Still, with the quality it is at, it is not bandwidth heavy which opens it up to more people.



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