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Zones for Massing Model and for Space Planning

Anyone out there does Stack models for quick feasibility studies?

I am sure there are plenty.

For something like below, the last thing you need, is to draw walls and slabs and roofs etc.
All you need is Volume and Space.

 

KarolyHorvath_0-1777861482651.png

 

Why? Because at the early stage the model needs to be simple and nimble. Something easy to modify on the fly.

In order to do that, the less elements you have, the better.
Still, you would want to be able to get information out of the model, like:

  • Total Number of Apartments
  • Number of 1, 2 or 3 Bed units
  •  Gross Floor Area, Net (at least calculated) Floor Area
  • Breakdown of areas per Use/Category
  • etc

Also, sometimes you would want to do some colour-coded 3Ds right?

 

KarolyHorvath_1-1777862434020.png

 

The Zone tool would be the logical solution to do these tasks, but:

  • We can't have associative dimensions to Zones
  • We can't Group Zones

WHY??????

Just because of these fall-backs, I use slabs instead. That is not very intuitive, is it?

 

Another use case for Zones, where grouping and dimensioning would be great to have is at space planning.
I personally do not design walls to start with, I design spaces.

Walls are just drawn in once the space planning is settled. 
Like in the below sketch phase, when things are a bit all over the place, but coming together for space planning.

 

KarolyHorvath_2-1777862793150.png

 

Again, dimensioning and Grouping zones would be an easy answer, but no, I have to use fills or slabs instead and turn them into zones later...

Yes, I understand that my design methods may be a bit unorthodox, still I find it would benefit many users if Zones were not an afterthought (Annotation), but a Design Tool.

Just imagine this:

If Zones were not necessarily defined by bounding walls, but instead, the Walls were defined by the Zones, how much easier, better and more automatable the design process could be?

In the future I am thinking of a workflow where

  1. we draw the spaces we need to define spaces and connections
  2. set up rules like:
    • If Boundaries of Zones that are in the Apartment Zone category align (touch each other) -> add an Apartment Divider Wall Type
    • If an Apartment Zone and a Circulation zone share boundaries -> add a Corridor Wall type
    • If a Zone boundary has nothing touching it or it touches a Balcony boundary -> add an External Wall Type.
    • etc.

Before we get to the above "Dream" stage though, we could just start with making it possible to Group and Dimension zones!
After all - just think about it - what is the difference between elements produced by the Zone Tool and the Slab Tool? Not much, right, so why could zones not be dimensioned and grouped?

 

 

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Laszlo Nagy
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Design Intelligence initiative is being developed to do many of the things that you mention here:

 

https://www.graphisoft.com/en-hu/company/innovation/project-aurora/

 

On above webpage, you can join a waitlist for Design Intelligence initiative.

 

Design Intelligence initiative Product Roadmap page:

 

https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Product-Roadmap/Project-Aurora/idi-p/682922

 

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Hi László,

Thanks for the response. I was aware of Design Intelligence initiative, but my wish to be able to group and dimension Zones still stands.

Why?

  • Design Intelligence initiative will surely be a costly extra on top of Archicad
  • It surely will be great, but likely overcomplicated for simple stack models
  • Is Design Intelligence initiative going to be part of Archicad, using already known tools, or is it a separate tool alltogether. If it is a separate tool, then that is yet again something new we need to learn.

I am quite certain that making associative dimensions possible for Zones and lettin Zones to be Grouped would be a relatively easy thing to script for the next version of Archicad and it would solve the Feasibility stack model needs for most people. If in addition Openings could also work in Zones (Dreaming), that would be a cherry on top.

 

ArchiCAD since 4.5

Windows, Mac
Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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@Karoly Horvath wrote:

I am quite certain that making associative dimensions possible for Zones and lettin Zones to be Grouped would be a relatively easy thing to script for the next version of Archicad and it would solve the Feasibility stack model needs for most people. If in addition Openings could also work in Zones (Dreaming), that would be a cherry on top.

 


Did you make wishes for these? That would be the first step of asking Graphisoft for them.

 

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Patrick M
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I was told that Design Intelligence initiative is going to be available for 1 year...
It does seem like it is designed as a separate platform; but likely will have a plug-in or direct link of some kind. 

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Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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There is a presentation about Design Intelligence initiative that you can watch, it will give a good overview of what is planned.

Holger starts talking about it at around 9:00 in this video:

https://nxtaec.com/video/graphisoft-gabor-kovacs-palko-holger-kreienbrink/

 

(You will need to register for the site to watch it.)

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jl_lt
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 wishes has become an obscure platform, at least in my most humble opinion, why cant he discuss it here? i think its a good idea and should be relatively easy to implement

jl_lt
Ace

Glad to see they are still working on this, and its looking good! similar to what the digitalbluefoam guys have been doing, even if its just for the conceptual design stages. Ideally Archicad should be the bridge between these conceptual cubes and full-fledged projects.   Hope they can pull it off 

Laszlo Nagy
Community Admin
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You guys are free to discuss it here, but in order for the Graphisoft Product Team to have any idea of how much a certain function is needed/wanted by users, the way to achieve that is to create a wish so people can vote on it, which will give some idea of how much support the wished functionality has from users.

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