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Help! I just want to draft!

Anonymous
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I am just getting started on ArchiCAD v8.1 on my new iMac, and while I'm not having any problems learning the basics of how to "create" a model and a set of drawings... I am left wondering: Can I just 2D draft with this program???!!! I have just started working with an architect (telecommute/working at home) who does not utilize the 3D stuff much at all and just needs me to produce 2D construction documents. I'm starting to think that this is not the program to accomplish this... everything seems to have to relate to the 3D model or it won't "draw" it in plan mode correctly.

Help!
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Djordje
Ace
nats wrote:
I am still trying hard to learn ArchiCAD 3d modelling after 4 months of working with it and am still not even able to get a section generated out of the model nor an elevation that will look anywhere near accurate or even remotely sensible! I have heard others here say they can do it but for me its far quicker to draw in 2d when you 'need stuff out' rather than poncing about with a 3d model.
You could buy A LOT of drafing pens and tracing paper for the value of the computers and the software that you have ...

Needing the stuff out is about knowing how to use what you have, not forcing the medieval techniques on today's technology.

Ask yourself: is the pretty drawing the goal? How much time does it take to change all the drawings one by one instead of changing the model once? What is your design coordination time? What is your site changes and site coordination time - or you have never been to the site?

If you think that I am angry, you are correct. Learn how to use what you have, and when you use it how it was intended to be used, you can complain.
Djordje



ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995
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Dwight
Newcomer
Why be angry?

Well, "poncing" IS a word that gets he-men angry, but nevermind that.

Some people will just never get it. When I took my first Archicad traing (1992) with Glenn Peters and those other lads, there was a woman in our class who couldn't get it. Since she was a friend of mine, I knew that she wasn't an idiot.

Just couldn't "get it." [Flatlander genes, methinks]

This poster has tried with Archicad for four months. That is a long time. After four months, most Archicad functions should be sublimated, already.

I wonder if they got any training, or what the real problem is.
Dwight Atkinson
Anonymous
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nats wrote:
I am still trying hard to learn ArchiCAD 3d modelling after 4 months of working with it and am still not even able to get a section generated out of the model nor an elevation that will look anywhere near accurate or even remotely sensible! I have heard others here say they can do it but for me its far quicker to draw in 2d when you 'need stuff out' rather than poncing about with a 3d model.
There is a performance barrier in getting from productive 2D drafting to productive building modeling (different peaks in the fitness landscape as complexity theory would describe it). You do have to become quite proficient at modeling before the sections, elevations, renderings, etc. become detailed enough to be presentable without retouching. Such proficiency takes time to develop. In the mean time there are techniques (such as the "drag a copy" method for sections) that allow you to bridge the gap and make increasing use of the model as your skills develop.

For any such techniques to work you have to make the commitment to doing it and have the discipline to follow through. Make the model the best that you can. Use the views as bases for your finished drawings and keep working to improve the quality and detail of the model until all you have to add to the views are the annotations. I know many people who have achieved this, but even the best of us required time and commitment to get there.
TomWaltz
Participant
Dwight wrote:
Some people will just never get it. When I took my first Archicad traing (1992) with Glenn Peters and those other lads, there was a woman in our class who couldn't get it. Since she was a friend of mine, I knew that she wasn't an idiot.
Then there's the other extreme.... (luckily not someone I work with)...

I had to really hold myself back from referring to someone at Ikea as a moron over the weekend.... then thought the better of it when I decided it would be an insult to morons everywhere and I didn't want that many people angry with me at one time...
Tom Waltz
Anonymous
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Matthew Lohden wrote:
"For any such techniques to work you have to make the commitment to doing it and have the discipline to follow through."

Nat,
By far the most powerful 2D drafting tool in Archicad is the 3D model. If you have the ability to extrapolate from plan view to section or elevation using simple 2D drafting techniques you should find setting up 3D elements for a usable section will not require much stretching.

Keep it simple, don't try to do too much at first in the 3D window. Work at "building" your walls, floors, roofs in the plan window primarily. I usually have one or two section tools in a separate layer that I use constantly to check on and monitor the 3D parts. Its initally much simpler and less risky to work in a section window I find than to attempt some actions in the 3D window. Possibly you have the impression that its either all 2D or all 3D. Relax and discover how much you can do in the plan and section windows with the 3D tools. Too much pressure & expectation? Give em' up, start simply one step at a time.

Matthew's "commitment & discipline" speak of attitude. Altering the "why must I" to "I want to" is a tough one for us all when we have already spent considerable effort and time in developing skills. There is nothing you have to unlearn for Archicad. The opportunity is there to make use of the most exacting drawing tool available...the 3D model.

Post your specific difficulties, ask for tips on techniques, etc, start at the basics. The only dumb question is the one unasked as they say.

cheers,
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