3D PDF

[Anonymous]

Hi everyone,
I'm trying to build up my first 3D pdf for client presentation.

I did an easy test exporting the 3d model of a simple wall as .u3d file, and then I placed it in my empty pdf page.

Then I tried to import the .u3d file of a building in design, but Acrobat crashed a few times. The size of the .u3d model I'm trying to import is 60-70 Mb.

Does anyone use 3D pdf on a regular basis? Is my file size too large?


Thanks!

Enrico

[Steve Jepson]

Reader works fine. This is the reason why the VBE is not very interesting to me.

[rob2218]

Amazing...absolutely amazing.

you can even change shades or rendering, the way it appears on the window...I wonder how "big" of a u3d file you can embed in there?

I noticed theres a bit of a "lag beach ball bouncing time" from the point which you say.."Click to initiate" until it actually initiates.

[Karl Ottenstein]

Steve wrote:
Reader works fine. This is the reason why the VBE is not very interesting to me.

3D PDF cannot do what VBE does for illuminated, textured walkthroughs that let you walk up stairs and bounce off walls.

But, it is an amazing technology, with multiple saved views including section cuts. (The dynamic section cutting is much like SketchUp. Something VBE cannot do.)

Cheers,
Karl

[Steve Jepson]

I don't want to get you too excited but are you interested in construction animations with Adobe ?

http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/MicroStation/Interactive+3D+PDF.htm

There might be something here to inspire you.
ftp://ftp2.bentley.com/dist/collateral/Web/Gallery/BDP_Proposal.pdf

check out page 8. It's 3d.

[rob2218]

I fell off my chair when I saw the helicopter sample...and that you can manipulate the 3d environment...AS..the helicopter and cars are still being animated...change shade rendered looks...on the fly...WOW!!!!!

but can we output this kinda of effects with Archicad???

GS....have you seen this??

[Anonymous]

Extremely interesting. I am one of the ones which looked into this 3d pdf years ago when it was pretty bad. Now it looks heaps better and worth a closer look.
From my first impression one of the drawbacks is the export file size of .u3d . Saying this after importing the file into PDF and save the file, the size did look fine. Further investigation is needed but I am looking forward to it as this is surely something clients are interested in. Glad the topic came back.

[rob2218]

Here's what I don't understand.
How can the Bentely system make a 3.3MB (...yes that's only 3.3MB) animation (for Petes sake) file that is completely interactive?

You can manipulate the shading/rendered look of the model.
You can interactively decide how you want to see the "flyby" helicoptor.
You can stop the flyby...and let it continue.
There's animation all around you happening.
There's a large design with all it's context (granted boxes they may be but)...
There's the google earth background as a context site...

I mean...what do we need to do to have GS provide it's users with this kind of 3 dimensionality and only at 3.3MB file size?

I tried to save the house design I was working on....and embed it into a PDF file....it was a 69MB file...which I couldn't get it to load.

Any suggestions folks??
(and please don't say switch to Benteley cause that's not an option here).

[Karl Ottenstein]

Here is an ArchicadWiki article on how to embed U3D into a PDF:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/U3D

[Mats_Knutsson]

rob2218 wrote:
Hey...do any of you guys know if Adobe Reader (the freeware tool) can view these 3d u3d embedded images or does the person HAVE to have the full blown Adobe Acrobat??

Please advise.

thanks.

I can't mount the .u3d with Reader 9.4 on mac. I have no 3D Tool. I guess it's Pro only.

[Karl Ottenstein]

Mats_Knutsson wrote:
I can't mount the .u3d with Reader 9.4 on mac. I have no 3D Tool. I guess it's Pro only.

Correct - you can only embed the U3D into a PDF using Acrobat Pro. Once embedded, the 3D PDF can be viewed with Reader.

Cheers,
Karl