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In place module editing

Anonymous
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Like AutoCAD's function to edit external blocks in the current drawing :
You access the module and everything outside the module gets greyed out and uneditable, but it stays there and is still active for tools snap...
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stefan
Booster
And while you're at it, take a peek at how it is implemented in other tools as well:

SketchUp -> rest get's dim & transparant, but still visible as a reference. You have control over this visibility in the preferences.

VectorWorks -> editing a group of elements or a symbol (aka "block" in AutoCAD terms) always happens in the same way. Here the rest of the drawing gets hidden, though.

Strata3D -> an "instance" of a shape can be opened in a new window and edited at will. The rest of the scene updates if you close that window again.

---> All these systems are very fast and don't require to open a new element, modify and save changes to be able to continue.

The AutoCAD way of in-place block & reference editing is not that fast and clear to see what you are doing, but it was a major improvement over the past (where you had to either create a new block & redefine or open the other drawing, save changes and, in case of a block, insert the file into the drawing again).

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I hardly use modules, but I don't do large projects, so it is possible that I underestimate their importance.
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Anonymous
Not applicable
stefan wrote:
SketchUp -> rest get's dim & transparant, but still visible as a reference. You have control over this visibility in the preferences.


In fact the way sketchup works seems the best way to achieve this "in place editing" function.

Djordje
Advisor
Geoffroy wrote:
stefan wrote:
SketchUp -> rest get's dim & transparant, but still visible as a reference. You have control over this visibility in the preferences.


In fact the way sketchup works seems the best way to achieve this "in place editing" function.
Who takes care of what module is edited in place and who has the right to do it? I clearly see a situation where two people are editing the same module in place. Which one gets saved? Each to a new file? belies the purpose of a module.

Call me old fashioned, I vote for opening the original file and editing it. That way there is no possibility that two versions exist concurrently.
Djordje



ArchiCAD since 4.55 ... 1995
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Djordje wrote:
Who takes care of what module is edited in place and who has the right to do it? I clearly see a situation where two people are editing the same module in place. Which one gets saved? Each to a new file? belies the purpose of a module.

Call me old fashioned, I vote for opening the original file and editing it. That way there is no possibility that two versions exist concurrently.
If ArchiCAD managed correctly the file ownership, this wouldn't be a problem. When I open a word file on the network, I get a message telling me that user X has opened the file and asking : notify when editing is done, open read-only, or cancel... Is it so difficult to implement.

The point here is that when you edit the module outside of the plan, you have don't have reference to your primary drawing and you can't snap to these elements.

Geoff Briggs
Enthusiast
When I switched from VectorWorks I immediately missed the symbols. Not because of the way you edit them, but because of their usefulness–change one instance and all the others change. Modules promise this but miss the mark. They seem better suited to large, well, modules, as opposed to simple little groups or objects.

AC needs a new object type like symbols or blocks, that can be imported but then become part of the file so changes don't affect any other projects. And it sure would be nice if they could be placed in S/E.

BTW, I think editing in place is the way to go for Modules or blocks. You get my vote.
Regards,

Geoff Briggs

DeForest Architects

Seattle, USA



AC25 INT, Mac (home), Win10 (work)

Yes, you read that correctly, we are in the US but use the INT version, because the libraries are better.

Tom Krowka
Booster
Couldn't you just have two sessions of ArchiCad open? I used to do that with Autocad before they had the in place editing.

Tom
Tom Krowka Architect

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James Murray
Advisor
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In-place editing would be a huge timesaver in cases of symmetry and repetition.

I have two current projects are very intricate and very symmetrical. That means lots of fine modeling, followed by lots of mirroring/copying. I would love to build one dormer in all its detailed glory, save it as a module, place it around, and then edit one of them to modify them all.

It's not realistic, to me, to have such a thing as a module as it stands; I need the context of the rest of the project when working on it.
James Murray
Rill Architects • macOS • OnLand.info

Anonymous
Not applicable
I would like to add my vote for in-place editing, having just finished 2 weeks' work on a project containing 26 modules - and what a chore it is to have to keep closing the .PLN before editing a module!

Previously I have used 'nested' modules, which is useful way to get over that 'almost-but-not-quite-standard' room (e.g. in hotels), where the inner module contains all the common elements, and the outer module contains those elements which repeat in the majority of cases. (You can also do it retrospectively, if you come across a rogue situation after you've defined the main module).

This proves to be laborious, however without in-place editing, as you have to open, edit and save the inner module, and then open and save the outer module, so that it updates, before you can open and update the main plan.

Anonymous
Not applicable
I agree. In place editing is a MUST.
I may want to change elements of the structure that reference geometry of other modules (parallel distance from... and so on).

Please do it in next version.

There is no real problem with ownership. Just inform a user anotherone is using and post a message when its finished.

Tom Krowka
Booster
I'll go with the must have vote. I really miss that feature from Autocad.
Tom Krowka Architect

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Anonymous
Not applicable
Editing hotlinked modules from within the host file would be a great improvement, right now my method is having two instances of AC always open, I copy and paste what I need to see from the host file to the module, make the changes in the module file, erase what I had pasted from the host, close, save, hit update in the host file.
I am now working with tens of modules and the number keeps increasing as the project develops (the save selection as module is a little addictive!) so this would definitely be a great time saver.

TomWaltz
Newcomer
I completely agree with the wish, but in the mean time, "Publishing to Modules" is a lot faster than individually "Saving Selection to Module."

There's the added headache of keeping your module originals somewhat separated from other elements, but it is a really easy way to get consistant results.
Tom Waltz

Anonymous
Not applicable
TomWaltz wrote:
"Publishing to Modules" is a lot faster than individually "Saving Selection to Module."
this might apply to when the module is your entire floor, but I need to create several modules for small repeating elements (non object elements) such as a typical kitchens, typical balconies, certain repeating portions of the exterior wall, etc.. all these are a combination of different elements on different layers and as far as I know there is no way to publish a selection not a view (is there?)

LiHigh
Newcomer
I thought in-place editing already is possible in Archicad!

Just unlink the placed module, edit as desired. Then, Save Selection as Module from the Modules & XREFs menu with Change the Hotlink to the saved file box checked.
By checking the Change the Hotlink to the saved file box, you can immediately replace the selected elements with the contents of the module, without having to go through the usual process.
Howard Phua

Win 10, Archicad 19 INT

Anonymous
Not applicable
LiHigh wrote:
I thought in-place editing already is possible in Archicad!

Just unlink the placed module, edit as desired. Then, Save Selection as Module from the Modules & XREFs menu with Change the Hotlink to the saved file box checked.
By checking the Change the Hotlink to the saved file box, you can immediately replace the selected elements with the contents of the module, without having to go through the usual process.
This is sort of true, but if you modify and save an instance other than the original, the location of all others will be offset by the difference.

andrewzarb
Booster
Djordje wrote:
Who takes care of what module is edited in place and who has the right to do it? I clearly see a situation where two people are editing the same module in place. Which one gets saved? Each to a new file? belies the purpose of a module.
Well you could take ownership of the hotlinked modules during the sign in process just as you do with layers, etc.

This is an ABSOLUTE MUST.

andyro
Contributor
Matthew wrote:
This is sort of true, but if you modify and save an instance other than the original, the location of all others will be offset by the difference.
Seems like an easy fix to add a button that says 'Preserve Origin of Source' or something, to enable 'editing in place'. Now how would AC know how to preserve the source origin? Would the user have to define it? Or would it save ALL hotlinks to have an x,y of 0,0 from the lower-leftmost corner of the hotlink? And if one was working on a 90 degree rotated instance and saved in place, one could expect all the non-rotated instances to rotate - needs some thinking through....let's start with X.Y, but not forget Z either.
Andy Thomson
Andy Thomson | Architect
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Anonymous
Not applicable
after working with autocad, vectorworks and sketchup for years, i now have to learn archicad for the new office...

searching for fast block editing, i thought i missed something, because i couldn't find it.
I called the support and they told me archicad objects are much better than simple blocks and that i could edit an object by exploding it, make the changes and resave it... ?!?!?!? and: the overwritten object will be scaled to the extends of the first object! WHAT?!? this can't be true! where is the simple everytime to use block editing?!? this really sounds like a bad joke to me - i don't get it. which year do we have now? ... 2009? ... 1984?
what's the point, not to implement this essential funktion? i'm really curious to know it!
After years of CAD and 3D (3dsmax, c4d, modo) work i wasn't aware that i could miss such a common feature some time...
is there any plug-in or something to get this feature in AC?!?

sityu
Newcomer
I posted an idea, which is connecting to this topic: 3d in worksheets.

My idea has a slightly different approach, but the main goal is almost the same. (I think I suggest a little more flexible solution to the problem, with more additional benefits.)

Please take a look at it!
Talmácsi, István, architect (AC user since 1997, ac4.5 - now: ac18)

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