Next phase of subscription transition announced

[Richard Doll]

Dear Community Members, 

Following my recent Graphisoft Insights post on the Subscription transition update, we know how important this topic is for you as our clients and anticipate your comments and questions. To streamline communication, we’ve created this thread to gather everything in one place. We’ll also use it to identify topics that may need further clarification, which we’ll address on our FAQ page.

Please note that while we cannot respond to individual questions in the forum, your local representative is available for personalized support.

Best regards,
Richard

Link to Insights article: https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Graphisoft-Insights/Important-update-Next-phase-of-subscription-...

[Barry Kelly]

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@MDunkin wrote:

So me where it says Python is only available with an active SSA?  

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I can't show you where it says this, I said I was not sure if that was the case - I don't use Python so have never looked into it.

That is something you will have to ask Graphisoft.

All I can see in my searching is that you need to install Python and simply have Archicad 24 or above.

No mention of it being an SSA feature.

And there is a Python Palette that needs to be turned on in the Work Environment ...

Barry.

[MinhNguyen]

You guys raised a valid point. I'm learning Python API from time to time so this is kinda important to me. I looked into GS's documents and indeed, Python API is part of SSA/Forward benefits. References:

https://graphisoft.com/forward/

https://graphisoft.com/legal/forward-services-and-benefits/int (point 2.9)

Bummer, guess we have to go to subscriptions, there's no other way to keep Python alive with perpetual licenses

[Barry Kelly]

Thanks for the links Minh.

So it seems SSA/Forward benefits are ...

• Free and discounted access to online product and upgrade training courses according to Graphisoft’s Learn Program official pricelist
• BIMx model hosting in Graphisoft’s cloud
• Extra capabilities in the Software to customize and automate workflows via the Archicad Python API
• Extra capabilities in the Software to enable the creation of custom parametric objects with Param-o
• Extra capabilities in the Software to create high-quality photorealistic renderings with the built-in Maxon Redshift rendering engine
• Extra capabilities in the Software to create manufacturer-specific library content with Library Part Maker
• An Additional Surface Catalog
• Technical support
• License insurance

Something to think about, are these features important to you if you stop the SSA/Forward support and don't take up the collaboration subscription?

Barry.

[Jp1138]

The moment they started putting aleatory things into SSA, it was evident we were in some kind of subscription lite. The problem is now you can´t continue to pay for it even if you wanted. Another preasure measure from GS, as those things had no reason to be SSA only.

I can understand AI features to be SSA/subscription only, as they "consume" CPU time and someone has to pay for it. But many of these other things were always an artificial addon to SSA, and another way for GS to thread waters about people willingness to pay a mandatory subscription, first for some features and later for the complete suite.

It would be very easy for GS to "liberate" all this on latest perpetual version, as a small gesture to old time users. I don´t think they will do it, sadly 😑

[laembert]

Pretty happy they did not make the Wall tool SSA benefit. Didn't they? 

[MDunkin]

So, testing further I can still render in all versions of Archicad, and use the Library part maker, but I lack Python capabilities. 

[laembert]

Can you switch to Redshift engine?

[MDunkin]

Yes.

[ryejuan]

Since majority here are paying SSA/Forward we didn't really looked into the docs that this is part of the thing we are paying...

[Lingwisyer]

Well, given there is a seperate SSA page that does not say half of those things, it would not be hard to miss.

[MDunkin]

I ran a few tests and you can open a script outside of AC and they still work within the AC file, you just don't have the nice Python palette to launch them natively in AC.... so not all is lost....yet.

[MDunkin]

This is how I discovered it... my palette has been on for 3yrs and when I went to run a script the palette was gone.  When I tried to turn that experimental option back on I got the SSA pop up. 

[Lingwisyer]

The SSA Benifits page doesn't really say anything... Though I am not surprised that EcoDesigner is part of it, as wasn't it a seperate paid addon previously?

[March_ Bruce]

NEM.DE is up 35+% in a year:

finance.yahoo.com/quote/NEM.DE/

Does this redefine 'sustainable'...?

Also is there any professional architectural representation or experience on the board...?

www.Nemetschek.com/en/company/about-us

Not that I could find...

 

[Patrick M]

you know what they say about architecutre... 'less is more'... but not so with profits... more is more. Long gone are the days when Archicad leaned on the slogan "software by architects for architects"

[Bricklyne Clarence]

Looking at the last several versions, I think it might be safe to say that it doesn't seem, (....to me, at least...) like there's been any actual (working) architects involved at the decision-making levels over at Graphisoft for several years now. Possibly even going back to the last century. 

Certainly none offering any fruitful input that's been borne out in any perceptible way as to how to improve Archicad to users' (read : ARCHITECTS') benefit.

That's a nice marketing slogan. 

It always was.

It just hasn't applied to Archicad (or by extension, ...Graphisoft) for the longest time now.

[March_ Bruce]

"Apple existed to “delight customers” first — benefits to other stakeholders, including shareholders, followed.”

https://hbr.org/2011/10/steve-jobs-and-the-purpose-of

How many board meetings echo this focus ?

Is this why Elisabeth Warren wants to change corporate fiduciary duty to ‘stakeholders’ vs ’shareholders’…?

How many board meetings echo this ?

Perhaps why Warren wants to change corporate fiduciary duty to ‘stakeholders’ vs ’shareholders’…?

[Eric Milberger]

I just went through the information you have given and it is totally different that What I was told by staff.

I need a contact by staff.

[Karl Ottenstein]

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@Eric Milberger wrote:

I just went through the information you have given and it is totally different that What I was told by staff.

I need a contact by staff.

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Nobody will contact you from here, Eric.  As usual your message without context is totally vague.   You need to contact your reseller if you need information on subscription/SSA/forward, they won’t miraculously contact you.  Ditto tech support for a technical issue.

[Eric Milberger]

I have talked to the Graphisoft office in my region, and it does not match what I just read.

Dates where I lose service on the software, I bought a year ago dos does not match with what will happen and when.

[Karl Ottenstein]

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@Eric Milberger wrote:

I have talked to the Graphisoft office in my region, and it does not match what I just read.

Dates where I lose service on the software, I bought a year ago dos does not match with what will happen and when.

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Whatever Graphisoft North America tells you is what applies to you.  Whether things are different in different countries, I don't know, but GSNA "controls" the North American market.

Out of curiosity, what did they tell you that "does not match what you read"?