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Superswabey
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Wall edge is not showing up

Can someone help me with this, the edge at the intersection between the walls and column is not showing. This happens at various parts of my model. I attached the plan and 3d view for referenece. TIA

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Barry Kelly
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The side of the wall and column are perfectly in the same plane.

As they have the same surface material, the joining line will be eliminated automatically.

 

Actually it seems just turning off the edge surface override for just the column is enough to get the joining line back.

Even the the walls and column still have the same surface material.

 

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Barry.

 

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Barry Kelly
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If surfaces are co-planer and they are the same surface material, then the join between then will disappear automatically.

That is why I was bit surprised that simply overriding the column edge surface, with the same surface material, made the join show.

But if you override the edge surface of both the wall and the column with the same surface, the join disappears again as it should.

It seems columns and walls behave a little strangely.

 

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It is quite common to duplicate a surface material but give it a different name.

In my case it would be "paint wall 1" and "pant wall 2".

Both exactly the same surface material in appearance, but as they are separate attributes, Archicad considers them as different materials, and the joins between them will always show.

That is not what I have shown here though, all surfaces are exactly the same attribute.

 

Barry.

 

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Barry Kelly
Moderator

The side of the wall and column are perfectly in the same plane.

As they have the same surface material, the joining line will be eliminated automatically.

 

Actually it seems just turning off the edge surface override for just the column is enough to get the joining line back.

Even the the walls and column still have the same surface material.

 

BarryKelly_0-1785478955738.png

 

Barry.

 

One of the forum moderators.
Versions 6.5 to 27
i7-10700 @ 2.9Ghz, 32GB ram, GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB), Windows 10
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Superswabey
Participant

Thank you. So it is not possible to have a "clean" joining if i want the surfaces to be the same.

Barry Kelly
Moderator

If surfaces are co-planer and they are the same surface material, then the join between then will disappear automatically.

That is why I was bit surprised that simply overriding the column edge surface, with the same surface material, made the join show.

But if you override the edge surface of both the wall and the column with the same surface, the join disappears again as it should.

It seems columns and walls behave a little strangely.

 

BarryKelly_0-1785482779257.png

 

It is quite common to duplicate a surface material but give it a different name.

In my case it would be "paint wall 1" and "pant wall 2".

Both exactly the same surface material in appearance, but as they are separate attributes, Archicad considers them as different materials, and the joins between them will always show.

That is not what I have shown here though, all surfaces are exactly the same attribute.

 

Barry.

 

One of the forum moderators.
Versions 6.5 to 27
i7-10700 @ 2.9Ghz, 32GB ram, GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB), Windows 10
Lenovo Thinkpad - i7-1270P 2.20 GHz, 32GB RAM, Nvidia T550, Windows 11
Superswabey
Participant

I see now. Thank you for the clear explanation!

Stefan L_
Rockstar

I feel obliged to point out that - in this situation - Archicad doesn't work as it should.

The edge does not disappear because someone (Graphisoft or we users) wants it to disappear, but it happens nonetheless.

 

Barrys finding is interesting although I can't reproduce it... 


@Barry Kelly  schrieb:

... simply overriding the column edge surface, with the same surface material, made the join show.


 I'd suspect that ACs "show/hide edge algorithm" is forced to check the edges in a different order.

 

My personal gym 🤓

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AC27, left and right are mirorred, otherwise identical, selected elements on the right to show hidden edges.

Only one surface material, only one building material, no error possible (green arrows).

Red wall has a lower junction order than green wall.
> green is protruding and has no edge to show; red has an edge to show (pink arrows).

Top columns (orange outline) have their surface overwritten with the same and one and only existing surface material.

> top column right is last selected element and shown in info bar

Bottom colums (pink outline) have their surface by BM.

 

No edge for...

Stefan - AC ...-29GER, WIN11
runxel
Moderator

This is actually a deeper running problem.

I've logged a bug for something that happens even more often than your example, Stefan.

On “T-Sections”, where e.g. a slab and two walls meet (the upper wall starts at the top of the slab) no line will be displayed either:

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Happens in both PBR and in (formerly known as) OpenGL.

Interestingly enough in the internal engine everything works as intended:

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It's not new in AC30 tho. This has been grinding my gears since... forever? 🤔

 

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