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Assign classifications to a label

gdford
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If labels could be assigned classifications then auto text could be used in the label to display the classification assigned to that label. Having done this classifications can be used as a single source for generating notes not related to an object. object
Gary Ford
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Eduardo Rolon
Moderator
I don't think that would be a good idea nor needed.
Labels should read the information from the element since this element should be exportable to IFC. If somehow you can't pull the info from the correct object then place a Dummy object (LOD 100 geometry) and pull the info from it. This would also have the benefit of showing up in schedules.

PS.
Labels should never be "Static".
eduardo rolón AIA NCARB
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gdford
Booster
I currently use a dummy note object.
Yes they schedule which is great for a note Key Legend... Of course if labels were a real object they would also schedule and I would not have placeholder objects floating are the project. Not everything in a project is modeled, but often a label is needed to explain a level of detail that will never be modeled. Dumb labels are really a bad idea!
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
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Tomek Piatek
Contributor
This is already possible, at least in AC22. There are a variety of ways in which you can get at the classification data from labels. One is to use the Categories & Properties label object. Another is to create some properties based on expressions.

What would be really useful is if we could get to the Description attribute of a classification item. Alas, currently it is only possible to access the ID and the Name attributes.

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ArchiCAD 23
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gdford
Booster
Thanks for the response, but i was not clear in my post.
My point was that 3d objects have then ability to have classifications and properties attached so to provide data for labeling via autotext and schedules. This is of course exactly what we want to do with BIM.
However not everything is modeled in 3d. 2D drafting objects are used to tell the stories of the things that we need to show but are not modeling, but these drafting objects do not allow for the attachment of properties and classifications. If the 2d objects could have properties and classifications - such as the Label Objects, then we could manage project notes in a data base instead of just placing a dumb note. CadImage Keynotes is a good example of this. Dumb notes that can be managed in a database......
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
16.0 GB ram

Tomek Piatek
Contributor
I see what you mean. Yes, dumb 2D objects such as fills and lines do not have many properties. In Revit some types of these objects can have some useful properties associated with them. But even more powerful is Revit's "detail family" system where you can simply draw any 2D thing and classify it. You can then use these detail families anywhere where you can place/draw 2D elements. The advantages are numerous:

- these are no longer dumb objects
- you can draw them yourself and even make them parametric
- you can build up a library of commonly used 2D elements, which have been fully classified/annotated and simply place them where you need them

It would be great if ArchiCAD had a similar feature. Like you say, not everything has to be 3D all the time.

By the way, you might want to consider changing the title of this post/wish to something like "Add ability to classify 2D objects" or something more descriptive.

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ArchiCAD 23
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Tomek Piatek
Contributor
I've just run into a problem that I though I was going to solve in an elegant fashion alas my efforts have been cut short by lack of functionality. I was trying to create a schedule of all labels that have the text "TODO" in them. Wouldn't it be great if you could do that? You could then click on a row in the schedule and quickly navigate to the object it is linked to. It would be a great way for iteratively refining annotations.

Unfortunately it is not possible to schedule label object in ArchiCAD.

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ArchiCAD 23
Windows 10 Pro

Barry Kelly
Moderator
Tomek wrote:
Unfortunately it is not possible to schedule label object in ArchiCAD.
No, because a label is annotation and it gets its information from the object it is attached to.
So you put the "TODO" property in the element and schedule the elements.

Barry.

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Tomek Piatek
Contributor
Yes, I understand that. But I don't want to do it that way. Say I have a timber beam that is structurally well defined but I don't know how it will be finished. I'd like to have the flexibility to say in the lablel "finish TBC".
I'm not an agreeable or reasonable person 😉

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ArchiCAD 23
Windows 10 Pro

Barry Kelly
Moderator
I would create a surface material or building material called "TBC" or I would use the already included "General" surface material.
Then I would label that.
Later when you decide what the finish should be - update the element and the label will update automatically.

Barry.

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Barry Kelly
Moderator
Or create a Property for finish and then associate that with your elements.

You can then set up a schedule to list the surfaces of your elements or the finish property, so you can see those that are "TBC".
Or you could set up a Graphich Override to find them and highlight (override) them in a bright colour or surface material so you can see them in the model and know that they don't yet have the correct finish.

Barry.

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Tomek Piatek
Contributor
That's a pretty good idea for this particular use case. Thanks!

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ArchiCAD 23
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A_Nav
Newcomer
This process of keynote does not work inside Details where Archicad explodes the objects creating 2d fills and lines. Does anyone have a solution that can work on details as well?

gdford
Booster
What is "This process of Keynote"?
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
16.0 GB ram

A_Nav
Newcomer
Sorry, I was writing my comment coming from a Revit background. With Revit it is possible to automate all labels which would be coming from a masterlist. This is what I called the keynote process. The Keynote Masterlist would enable you to update the list once and all drawings with labels using that list would be updated. Keynote is list/label dependent. On the other hand, Archicad has it object dependent where it is un-usable inside details.

gdford
Booster
Yep - for some reason beyond understanding Graphisoft has never been concerned with Keynotes.
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
16.0 GB ram

gdford wrote:
Yep - for some reason beyond understanding Graphisoft has never been concerned with Keynotes.
Just because there isn't a tool called "Keynotes" doesn't mean that you don't have them. Using the Property Manager, you can easily add keynotes. One of the early masters of this workflow wasTim Ball. Here's a YouTube video showing how he was doing it a few years ago.

Regarding how to use these in details (@a.nav), it helps to keep details "live" and just add 2D information where needed.
Richard
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gdford
Booster
Yes we can devise many work arounds for Keynotes, but the backhanded intent of my keynotes comment was that it is about time archicad comes bundled with a world class keynote system that is fully integrated into the BIM. For large commercial projects in the US this is simply a "must have" feature. For small commercial projects there are many keynote hacks using properties and or classifications that one can devise that will work well up to a point. If this is good enough, or is seriously lacking, is a matter determined by the project and the client. In my experience many keynote hacks can work very well for small projects that do not really need keynotes, and all of the keynote hacks fall on their face in big projects where managing the hack becomes too much effort and gets too difficult to use. In my opinion the keynote solution should come from the cloud where all participants have access to them. Then the keynote in the cloud should be associated to objects in the model. Modeling software has no business maintaining the database for keynotes and specifications.
Gary Ford
Self Employed - Modeling, Estimating, Construction
Archicad 12-25
Win 10 - ASUSTeK Zephyrus M GU502GV - 64 bit
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60 GHz
16.0 GB ram

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